Masks for indoor work

[k979aaa]

TBF the government have been extremely inconsistant with conflicting rules and exceptions, along with their own actions demonstrating one rule for us and no rules for them. Then there's the promises of "just this one time" followed by "just this second time", etc. I think all this bull has led to people giving up and just doing their own thing.

Yeah I get that, but I guess trying to keep everyone happy just lead to them just confusing everyone and making things worse. As for no rules to them, again yes but since when did people listen to the government anyway so why follow the rule breakers? I didn't exactly feel the need to ignore rules all of a sudden just because some of them idiots did. We all failed at the end of the day. We will never know if say in our first lockdown if people actually stayed in for a few months that we might of been in a better place. But now with the constant lockdowns, tier bs etc its just possibly dragged on longer than neccesary.

As for the blame going all to Boris. Come on yeah his an idiot that allowed holidays to continue etc. But it was peoples choices to go knowing the risks so why bother. He didn't tell people to go just because it was allowed. Money wasted, thats just the governments for you, what do you expect? We all elect idiots knowing our money won't be spent wisely. We all make our own decisions, I don't need a loon to tell me how to stay safe, I'll just use my own common sense in protecting myself and others.

Look if he can stop your grandkids going round to your house or a pub opening with Covid-19 secure procedures why not a bunch of idiots on planes going to Spain or fleeing America as people did in private jets. Come on you cannot just blame me for this whole crisis all I did was post on here asking for answers of why people we pay highly are not doing their job's!

[ddtc]

Who says I'm just blaming you? Calm down. If you've followed rules great. The people highly paid can only do so much to persuade people to follow rules. God knows what would happen if they'd of used army to enforce everyone to stay in no questions. Probably mass protest causing a surge of infections. I mean we've had protest against masks and lockdowns, so I'm sure that contributed to a surge of infections. I'm not defending them, not at all. But at the end of the day we all have free will to follow what has been advised and unfortunately a lot of people didn't and don't.

Why choose to ignore the population that to this day still break rules? Why choose to blame one idiot at the top for idiots not following rules? All of us are to blame, its fact. He doesn't control everyone like puppets. He can't stop people from doing anything they want, just tell people and hope people follow.

If you've got issues with the government then well done, thats pretty much everyone and has been forever. Again I don't need some idiot to tell me to do the right thing whens it bloody obvious what needs to be done on my part. Tell that to the people who decide they don't care and think they are immune to covid. Blaming idiots like cummings and other highly paid idiots who break the rules is just an excuse for everyone to just ignore the rules. Call me a sheep for following guidelines to protect as much people as possible but people are willing to follow idiot rulebreakers just because they are seen to be in a position of authority and so decide f it i'll do the same as them, please.

I really don't see why you are choosing to argue with me when you know yourself that people need to follow the rules and that maybe if people did this wouldn't of needed to drag on. So why are you in disagreement with me? Can we just get along its christmas

[Pumpernickel]

I still believe their is a virus and it will kill some people before their time and we should prevent that but at the expense of treatable cancers and other illness and the wider economy.

Then maybe try wearing a mask to reduce the spread (reduce - not eliminate altogether), take other reasonable measures, and encourage others to do so to the point that we may not need to lock down in the longer term because all the little reductions to the spread add up...

As another example (other than mask wearing in public): after the first lockdown I did visit the pub a few times. I didn't go in without a mask on, and I certainly wouldn't sit in while I drank. Instead I sat and drank outside where the chance of transmission is reduced and had a mask in my pocket for any trips to the lav. Its a reasonable measure that allowed me to continue as reasonably normal while still going to the pub, spending money, and socialising. Lots of little changes can add up to a big effect without going down the "ooh authoritarian drama" route.

That's the thing if people were sensible we could maybe be living in some sort of normality. But no we've had numerous failings by people not adhering to rules etc. Now all we get are people blaming the government and the rules for the rise in infections and death. Sure just ignore how a vast majority of people have made the rules fail because its easier to blame the government than accept that we screwed up. You keep on saying people like us are sheep for following bs but you yourselves are doing the same and following bs of your own.

TBF the government have been extremely inconsistant with conflicting rules and exceptions, along with their own actions demonstrating one rule for us and no rules for them. Then there's the promises of "just this one time" followed by "just this second time", etc. I think all this bull has led to people giving up and just doing their own thing.

Well we had the virus under control at one point in time yet people went on holidays to Spain or somewhere and schools opened up test and trace the farce of £12 billion gone in an instant. Plus not paying people to self isolate if they are self employed and squandering money like tomorrow on fake business. The buck stops with someone it is not me or you but BORIS!

A large part of the buck yes, with the above reasoning.

[Pumpernickel]

TBF the government have been extremely inconsistant with conflicting rules and exceptions, along with their own actions demonstrating one rule for us and no rules for them. Then there's the promises of "just this one time" followed by "just this second time", etc. I think all this bull has led to people giving up and just doing their own thing.

Yeah I get that, but I guess trying to keep everyone happy just lead to them just confusing everyone and making things worse. As for no rules to them, again yes but since when did people listen to the government anyway so why follow the rule breakers? I didn't exactly feel the need to ignore rules all of a sudden just because some of them idiots did. We all failed at the end of the day. We will never know if say in our first lockdown if people actually stayed in for a few months that we might of been in a better place. But now with the constant lockdowns, tier bs etc its just possibly dragged on longer than neccesary.

As for the blame going all to Boris. Come on yeah his an idiot that allowed holidays to continue etc. But it was peoples choices to go knowing the risks so why bother. He didn't tell people to go just because it was allowed. Money wasted, thats just the governments for you, what do you expect? We all elect idiots knowing our money won't be spent wisely. We all make our own decisions, I don't need a loon to tell me how to stay safe, I'll just use my own common sense in protecting myself and others.

Exactly, leaking to seek opinion, then going with what seemed would be popular made things worse. No rules for them undermined the rules and gave more people the excuse to claim they were exceptional (though, as you rightly point out, some of those already existed).

The constant lockdowns we now are sick of are a direct result of Sercos failed test and trace system. Apparently the NHS side of things worked well, but Serco had the big issues in doing their part, which was compounded by the government doing nothing to recompense people for periods of self isolation those people couldn't afford to complete (not forgetting we are in a pretty privileged position of getting paid, many are not). It also hasn't helped that the government have misled everybody throughout, and had plenty of spare cash to throw around to companies that have suddenly sprung into existance to recieve that money without the capability of fulfilling the supposed need that required such spending.

Blame is (as always) a combination, but if the supposed leaders of the coutry misdirect, confuse, switch, and generally ignore their own "advice" then you end up with a population that doesn't know what to do. We had leaked rules, then the actual implemented rules were different, them more leaked rules, then rules brought in with an hours notice but only broadcast on certain channels, etc. It isn't unreasonable to say the government should accept the vast majority of the responsibility for most people having no clue what was going on and getting sick of the constant micromismanagement.

[SpacePhoenix]

I don't think it helped each country of the UK doing its own thing. The WHOLE of the UK should have been on the SAME IDENTICAL rules. Boris should have over-ruled the devolved governments when it come to Covid

[k979aaa]

I don't think it helped each country of the UK doing its own thing. The WHOLE of the UK should have been on the SAME IDENTICAL rules. Boris should have over-ruled the devolved governments when it come to Covid

Are you going for devomax they all have their own governments for better or worse. If I had my my way we could vote for independence from the south but even I believe we are a better nation together as now we are alone in this big wide world!

[Woody Guthrie]

I don't think it helped each country of the UK doing its own thing. The WHOLE of the UK should have been on the SAME IDENTICAL rules. Boris should have over-ruled the devolved governments when it come to Covid

Are you telling me that people were unaware which country they were in?

The need to act responsibly didn't change once from day one of the pandemic. People weren't "confused", they simply either chose to act responsibly or they didn't. Going to the pub and eating out, crowding to the beach and flying off to Spain were always irresponsible and stupid acts in the middle of a pandemic, only a complete fool would think otherwise but people chose to do it not because they were befuddled by the advice they were receiving but because ultimately the vast majority of people are inherently selfish and make choices based on what suits them.

Boris's rules made little sense from county to county and flip-flopped on an almost daily basis, what difference would it have made if that ineptitude was forcebly implemented UK wide by Westminster other than further the cause of independence of course?

[k979aaa]

The one good hope is that we do have a number of vaccines which can be used if ultimately approved. While I may not take it this year as I believe others are more deserving of it ie older and more ill than I should Imagine it would be like the annual flu jab. And would be a great thing if life could get back to normal early next year!

[milly]

The one good hope is that we do have a number of vaccines which can be used if ultimately approved. While I may not take it this year as I believe others are more deserving of it ie older and more ill than I should Imagine it would be like the annual flu jab. And would be a great thing if life could get back to normal early next year!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... 19-vaccine

The Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine looks pretty safe after reading through the government guidelines.

[nutcracker]

Nobody is listening to Neil Ferguson, he resigned ages ago and his projections were based on doing nothing which we clearly didn't do.

Nobody is taking advice from Boris or Hancock, they're politicians FFS.

Sensible people are listening to the vast majority of the world's scientific community who are advising said numpty politicians.

Who are you taking your advice from Milly?

Name some names?

And remember it really should be a lot of highly qualified names if you're going to call out the rest of science, not a few outliers and attention seekers.

People like Dr Carl Henegan,John Ioannidis,Sunetra Gupta,Dr Karol Sikora Dr Mike Yeadon and Ivor Cummins make far more sense and reasoned arguments ,rather than the hysteria perpetuated by SAGE, Whitty and Vallance and the government.

funnily enough those people you mention have gone very quiet recently now that hospitals are firmly in the sh*t

[milly]

Nobody is listening to Neil Ferguson, he resigned ages ago and his projections were based on doing nothing which we clearly didn't do.

Nobody is taking advice from Boris or Hancock, they're politicians FFS.

Sensible people are listening to the vast majority of the world's scientific community who are advising said numpty politicians.

Who are you taking your advice from Milly?

Name some names?

And remember it really should be a lot of highly qualified names if you're going to call out the rest of science, not a few outliers and attention seekers.

People like Dr Carl Henegan,John Ioannidis,Sunetra Gupta,Dr Karol Sikora Dr Mike Yeadon and Ivor Cummins make far more sense and reasoned arguments ,rather than the hysteria perpetuated by SAGE, Whitty and Vallance and the government.

funnily enough those people you mention have gone very quiet recently now that hospitals are firmly in the sh*t

The Hospitals are always busy at this time of year as it's Flu season although this year Flu has completely disappeared.
And no you won't hear much off the people I have mentioned because no opposing views are tolerated in our dystopian Country.

[Villadaft]

Maybe flu has disappeared because most people are wearing masks and washing their hands

[milly]

Maybe flu has disappeared because most people are wearing masks and washing their hands

Yes definitely, we should wear them all of the time.

[Villadaft]

[k979aaa]

Maybe flu has disappeared because most people are wearing masks and washing their hands

Yes definitely, we should wear them all of the time.

Even the dolphins in the sea are wearing them if not eating them.