The Agreement : Text & PDF

[FirstPost]

"Scan In/Out data will not be used for the automatic reduction of contractual pay or allowances based on data captured, or to reduce overtime pay where a (verbal) contract has been agreed with the manager prior to commencement..."

Does it mean that a "deal" can still be agreed regardless of worked time? On the other hand those who tend to finish early regularly can just clock out and leave?

you mean ghost O/T?

[scooby doo]

Sir Henry the words from the 4 pillars what triggered the second working week is

A further reduction of 1 hour in the working week to be introduced from 1st October 2019 , the funding formula for the hour will include a joint evaluation of inflation as of the 1st April 2019, any implementation of changes from the trials in section 14 , 15 of the agreement, ongoing efficiency and other operational and technological changes.

Thank you Martin, so in short there were a few hoops to jump through for the sww to be instituted.

Definitely hoops!

All four hours require hoops to be jumped through, in delivery for example it was a easy hoop to jump through for the first hour with PDA data used to fine tune the delivery routes.

[blacov]

"Scan In/Out data will not be used for the automatic reduction of contractual pay or allowances based on data captured, or to reduce overtime pay where a (verbal) contract has been agreed with the manager prior to commencement..."

Does it mean that a "deal" can still be agreed regardless of worked time? On the other hand those who tend to finish early regularly can just clock out and leave?

you mean ghost O/T?

Yes this is what I meant.

[sindba]

Seems a decent deal. Pay settlement is decent given the state of the economy.

Big concern is that it's a holding pattern agreement. Keep things as they are (ish), with a bit of tinkering.

RM waiting until Covid and the USO implications have washed through, and then they'll really come for us?

[Lapzio]

Not read the whole thing , for me and alot of the senior guys in our office it aint about the pay ive never in 15 years moaned about the pay , i think the union has done well in negotiating this pay rise in these uncertain times , but its about workload personally fed up of an unacheivable workload iday in and day out is there anywhere in this agreement about management saying you need to be more flexible and work over your time ?

[RTP]

Seems a decent deal. Pay settlement is decent given the state of the economy.

Big concern is that it's a holding pattern agreement. Keep things as they are (ish), with a bit of tinkering.

RM waiting until Covid and the USO implications have washed through, and then they'll really come for us?

Yes seems decent enough, but that's the thing. How many times have we been here before when agreements are reached, when all seems rosey in the garden and then within a year or so it's backs to the wall again.

[rambo1]

I heard that we will be 7am starts any truth in this .

What are you now?

Great, might get to finish earlier if we're starting an hr earlier.

[Ozzvaldo]

I heard that we will be 7am starts any truth in this .

We've been 7am starts since 2010. Used to be 5am before that.

[EdRush]

The long and short of it. You get slightly more pay but you'll be contracted for less hours = Overtime requirement

"Ensure a minimum of 85% of parcels delivered through the core network"
Translated: Longer duties, requiring more overtime.

"Any unit deemed unable to reasonably deliver the larger parcels will see the equivalent growth in smaller parcels" -
Translated: Longer duties requiring more overtime.

"Scan In/Scan Out when an individual starts/finishes work"
Translated: Now that you are required to work more overtime, managers hold the advantage and can back it up with COLD HARD DATA

"Employees are encouraged and empowered to agree local solutions on day to day operational issues."
Translated: Now that you are required to work more overtime, please concede to your managers "bullying" and "harassment" because we hold the COLD HARD DATA

[Cucumber]

I heard that we will be 7am starts any truth in this .

We've been 7am starts since 2010. Used to be 5am before that.

We have been similar. That's just one of the things that I find interesting when the company talk about the need for change etc. We have non rural duties that are up to 5.5 hours and simply wouldn't have the time to go lose the extra hour per week.

[ROSSCO]

When will area reps find out which 400 delivery offices are going to have a full revision as opposed to a table top one Martin?

[Martin Walsh]

Rossco , It is unlikely that 400 will be the figure for an FMO structural revision as initially 30 offices will used to scope how well the system works and I assume this will take some time.

I think more offices will be tasked to make a table top revision based on improving or maintaining their weighted items per work hour productivity.

The guidelines for revisions linking in the productivity discussions will be agreed by the end of January 2021.

Offices will know whether there table top or structural by end of January.

[rambo1]

Annual revisions in delivery?

So a full office re-sign every year?

A full office re sign every yr would be incredibly costly. We know that, maybe the computer says anyone can do any walk in the same time from day one.

[Cucumber]

Annual revisions in delivery?

So a full office re-sign every year?

A full office re sign every yr would be incredibly costly. We know that, maybe the computer says anyone can do any walk in the same time from day one.

I'd imagine that duty 'A' that is able to complete well within time each day would be given parts of duty 'B' that needs to claim extended every day regardless of who is doing the duty. End result is money saved.

[mags999]

laymans term lose the larger pkts and take out possibly a third of a walk extra revision complete apart from a re-sign not exactly rocket science but I bet royal mail will make it a lot more complicated than it needs to be