Negotiators Agreement achieved

[toonshola]

if the union agree to pda actuals there will be hundreds of hours lost in each office that's when the s**t hits the fan for delivery staff and more conflict ahead get the lazy revision barsteward team to test duties on foot see how they get on

why would the sh!t hit the fan if hours that aren't being used are taken out?

Why would anyone argue against the use of PDA actuals?

Because the data theyve got is worthless! It's been gathered while people are starting early to get out earlier than they would and not "doing the job properly" and take no consideration of the different speeds people work at. If they use the data to takes hours/duties out you will end up with duties that are tiny and some that are huge because of people who finish early or late according to actuals but nothing actually to do with the duties just the people who have been doing them.
If they want to use actuals they need everyone working the same way and have a standard to measure outdoor performance (work rate) against then they might be of some use, but still highly unlikely

Dead on about the early starters. Some in our office start 50 mins to an hour early Every. Single. Day. All those delivery’s are about to have stuff added and the poor buggers paired with these free work maniacs are going to be punished for it. Proper mess.

[General Mannerheim]

Do you think Royal Fail will ignore everything in the agreement like they always do ? Same old toothless Union !

I think no matter what the agreement looks like Royal Mail will have an entirely different take on it than the union.
That's especially the case if we have another management shake up.

1. There will be a short period of calm with lots of involvement from both parties.

2. The union will do its usual poor job of ensuring fair and equal implementation across the business and management will run riot in areas that don't have strong representation.

3. Trials will be set up for major changes but they will be stalled at every opportunity.

4. Regular revisions will be attempted but managers are inherently lazy and can't be bothered with the hassle so these will become paper exercises with little or no savings produced. London won't even bother with the paper.

5. Joint Working Groups will be set up, wound down, set up again and achieve nothing other than keep people in non value employment.

6. Electronic data collection will be rolled out painfully slowly, not work, work, not work and eventually prove to be a huge waste of time and money.

7. Everything will take infinitely longer than imagined and improve efficiency by a gnats left bollock.

8. Eventually Royal Mail will lose patience/get desperate and revert to type.

I'm enjoying making lists today.
Must be a Christmas thing

Worrying accurate.
The usual spiel of `joint` this and that and following the IR framework and `working together`...you know bullshit!

[mags999]

basically everybody works at different speeds so how they goin to work that one out this is not your normal 9 to 5 job or factory job for that matter you have to base workload on the slowest worker been here 30 odd years nothings changed if you get back early you find a bit of indoor work to do

[worktotime]

if the union agree to pda actuals there will be hundreds of hours lost in each office that's when the s**t hits the fan for delivery staff and more conflict ahead get the lazy revision barsteward team to test duties on foot see how they get on

why would the sh!t hit the fan if hours that aren't being used are taken out?

Why would anyone argue against the use of PDA actuals?

i would argue against that , as you have some posties starting at least 1 hour before start time even in summer so even more free hours at this time of the year but i m hoping scan in and out with sort that s**t out , and also not taking meal breaks and not using the methods , so to get a true reflection on hours ect . EVERYBODY needs to do the job as the company and the cwu agreed on , and i can put money on it that deliverys would have to be put back in which would create more f.t jobs , and then the company will realise how much free work some posties are doing .

[grandypants]

So if its back dated to April and I was retired due to ill health in August sureley I am entilted to the back pay as I was working at that time.

[TheTrolleyMan]

if the union agree to pda actuals there will be hundreds of hours lost in each office that's when the s**t hits the fan for delivery staff and more conflict ahead get the lazy revision barsteward team to test duties on foot see how they get on

why would the sh!t hit the fan if hours that aren't being used are taken out?

Why would anyone argue against the use of PDA actuals?

i would argue against that , as you have some posties starting at least 1 hour before start time even in summer so even more free hours at this time of the year but i m hoping scan in and out with sort that s**t out , and also not taking meal breaks and not using the methods , so to get a true reflection on hours ect . EVERYBODY needs to do the job as the company and the cwu agreed on , and i can put money on it that deliverys would have to be put back in which would create more f.t jobs , and then the company will realise how much free work some posties are doing .

Here Here ...... We've got clowns at our office .... Taking d2ds home to prep , starting 2+ hrs early for FREE , coming in on their days off to prep d2ds into their frame and even coming in on the last day of their annual leave to sort d2ds into their frames ! All FOR FREE !

[Cedar_Room]

if the union agree to pda actuals there will be hundreds of hours lost in each office that's when the s**t hits the fan for delivery staff and more conflict ahead get the lazy revision barsteward team to test duties on foot see how they get on

why would the sh!t hit the fan if hours that aren't being used are taken out?

Why would anyone argue against the use of PDA actuals?

i would argue against that , as you have some posties starting at least 1 hour before start time even in summer so even more free hours at this time of the year but i m hoping scan in and out with sort that s**t out , and also not taking meal breaks and not using the methods , so to get a true reflection on hours ect . EVERYBODY needs to do the job as the company and the cwu agreed on , and i can put money on it that deliverys would have to be put back in which would create more f.t jobs , and then the company will realise how much free work some posties are doing .

Here Here ...... We've got clowns at our office .... Taking d2ds home to prep , starting 2+ hrs early for FREE , coming in on their days off to prep d2ds into their frame and even coming in on the last day of their annual leave to sort d2ds into their frames ! All FOR FREE !

Same at our place. We have a small crew of 30hr lads who are supposed to start at around 9am each day but (back when things were normal) are always in 60-90mins early. They aren’t contracted to do IPS (heaven forbid!!) so it’s not uncommon for them to be going out of the door,just as us full timers are coming off the sorting The fact that they often finish ridiculously early does not bother me,the threat of multiple walks being taken out of our DO due to skewed PDA data however,does.

Do they listen?

What do you think

[worktotime]

if the union agree to pda actuals there will be hundreds of hours lost in each office that's when the s**t hits the fan for delivery staff and more conflict ahead get the lazy revision barsteward team to test duties on foot see how they get on

why would the sh!t hit the fan if hours that aren't being used are taken out?

Why would anyone argue against the use of PDA actuals?

i would argue against that , as you have some posties starting at least 1 hour before start time even in summer so even more free hours at this time of the year but i m hoping scan in and out with sort that s**t out , and also not taking meal breaks and not using the methods , so to get a true reflection on hours ect . EVERYBODY needs to do the job as the company and the cwu agreed on , and i can put money on it that deliverys would have to be put back in which would create more f.t jobs , and then the company will realise how much free work some posties are doing .

Here Here ...... We've got clowns at our office .... Taking d2ds home to prep , starting 2+ hrs early for FREE , coming in on their days off to prep d2ds into their frame and even coming in on the last day of their annual leave to sort d2ds into their frames ! All FOR FREE !

Same at our place. We have a small crew of 30hr lads who are supposed to start at around 9am each day but (back when things were normal) are always in 60-90mins early. They aren’t contracted to do IPS (heaven forbid!!) so it’s not uncommon for them to be going out of the door,just as us full timers are coming off the sorting The fact that they often finish ridiculously early does not bother me,the threat of multiple walks being taken out of our DO due to skewed PDA data however,does.

Do they listen?

What do you think

well there is a saying , you cant put brains where there is non