Negotiators Agreement achieved

[aiden01]

Well done Cwu whatever the deal sure they will have our best interests in mind , personally it’s never been about pay for me it’s been about a fair work load a day when you can walk into work and not have a daily battle with ur line manager.

An you honestly believe this agreement will deal with the issues you have just pointed out

[renrag40]

Looks like they have finished polishing the turd.

[gone postal]

This was posted on the CWU twitter feed.
Martin, would you like to comment, don’t forget CSP staff are union members also!

“Hope CSP staff haven’t been thrown under a bus and that our hours go back to pre Covid opening times.After all if hours were taken from Distribution,Processing or Delivery like they have at CSP’s there would be no agreement!Executive action via stealth”

CSP staff have been well and truly shafted in my office! It’s obvious from RM’s reluctance to open up back to normal and that they see only saving of hours from the restricted opening, nothing to do with Covid. CSP staff in my office are getting treated as reserves, not knowing what duty they will be expected to cover and are being pressured into covering the late night openings that were originally outwith their original pre Covid attendance times!

[Rumple]

I just hope they haven't rushed this agreement.

[Celgar]

Fear for the worst & hope for the best.
As long as the idea of bench merging has been totally buried it hopefully won't be too bad.

[scoobydo79]

There is still no deal of any worth to us.RM have successfully stalled and got through Xmas pressure.The Union have told Us We have a good deal because of the flack they are getting over their silence.I bet We will be back where where We started in 2021.

[Woody Guthrie]

What's scary is that you have reps and branches already congratulating the negotiators on securing a great deal.

They haven't even seen it.

1. The PEC meetings on Monday and Tuesday are a rubber stamp exercise, no one is going to send these guys back into a room to renegotiate anything. We'll all be retired before they come back out. They will recommend acceptance.

2. The London Divisional Committee will recommend it because Terry is their man and it's unlikely he's agreed to anything that will upset his home boys.

3. The branches will mostly follow their lead.

4. The members will follow the branch recommendations and there will be a lump sum/back pay to seal the deal.

5. No matter what this deal looks like good or bad we're stuck with it and the next month or so of pretend democracy is really just a sham and a waste of time.

6. We'll be back here in 12-18 months to "rise again" bemoaning another deal that was too vague which allowed the business to stamp all over the top of it.

Edit
7. Everyone on here will say they're voting against it and everyone in their office is voting against it. They won't.

[TheTrolleyMan]

What's scary is that you have reps and branches already congratulating the negotiators on securing a great deal.

They haven't even seen it.

1. The PEC meetings on Monday and Tuesday are a rubber stamp exercise, no one is going to send these guys back into a room to renegotiate anything. We'll all be retired before they come back out. They will recommend acceptance.

2. The London Divisional Committee will recommend it because Terry is their man and it's unlikely he's agreed to anything that will upset his home boys.

3. The branches will mostly follow their lead.

4. The members will follow the branch recommendations and there will be a lump sum/back pay to seal the deal.

5. No matter what this deal looks like good or bad we're stuck with it and the next month or so of pretend democracy is really just a sham and a waste of time.

6. We'll be back here in 12-18 months to "rise again" bemoaning another deal that was too vague which allowed the business to stamp all over the top of it.

Edit
7. Everyone on here will say they're voting against it and everyone in their office is voting against it. They won't.

Do you think Royal Fail will ignore everything in the agreement like they always do ? Same old toothless Union !

[Woody Guthrie]

Do you think Royal Fail will ignore everything in the agreement like they always do ? Same old toothless Union !

I think no matter what the agreement looks like Royal Mail will have an entirely different take on it than the union.
That's especially the case if we have another management shake up.

1. There will be a short period of calm with lots of involvement from both parties.

2. The union will do its usual poor job of ensuring fair and equal implementation across the business and management will run riot in areas that don't have strong representation.

3. Trials will be set up for major changes but they will be stalled at every opportunity.

4. Regular revisions will be attempted but managers are inherently lazy and can't be bothered with the hassle so these will become paper exercises with little or no savings produced. London won't even bother with the paper.

5. Joint Working Groups will be set up, wound down, set up again and achieve nothing other than keep people in non value employment.

6. Electronic data collection will be rolled out painfully slowly, not work, work, not work and eventually prove to be a huge waste of time and money.

7. Everything will take infinitely longer than imagined and improve efficiency by a gnats left bollock.

8. Eventually Royal Mail will lose patience/get desperate and revert to type.

I'm enjoying making lists today.
Must be a Christmas thing

[TheTrolleyMan]

All the while remembering that the more budget a manager can save the bigger their bonus will be ! So it's not in their interests to do revisions etc

[Vwtouran]

Mangers will get a bonus when they do revisions & deliveries get absorbed!

[mags999]

if the union agree to pda actuals there will be hundreds of hours lost in each office that's when the s**t hits the fan for delivery staff and more conflict ahead get the lazy revision barsteward team to test duties on foot see how they get on

[thedonkey]

What's scary is that you have reps and branches already congratulating the negotiators on securing a great deal.

They haven't even seen it.

1. The PEC meetings on Monday and Tuesday are a rubber stamp exercise, no one is going to send these guys back into a room to renegotiate anything. We'll all be retired before they come back out. They will recommend acceptance.

2. The London Divisional Committee will recommend it because Terry is their man and it's unlikely he's agreed to anything that will upset his home boys.

3. The branches will mostly follow their lead.

4. The members will follow the branch recommendations and there will be a lump sum/back pay to seal the deal.

5. No matter what this deal looks like good or bad we're stuck with it and the next month or so of pretend democracy is really just a sham and a waste of time.

6. We'll be back here in 12-18 months to "rise again" bemoaning another deal that was too vague which allowed the business to stamp all over the top of it.

Edit
7. Everyone on here will say they're voting against it and everyone in their office is voting against it. They won't.

: Woody, a succinct overview of all the disputes in the last 20 years.

[Cucumber]

if the union agree to pda actuals there will be hundreds of hours lost in each office that's when the s**t hits the fan for delivery staff and more conflict ahead get the lazy revision barsteward team to test duties on foot see how they get on

why would the sh!t hit the fan if hours that aren't being used are taken out?

Why would anyone argue against the use of PDA actuals?

[citypostie]

if the union agree to pda actuals there will be hundreds of hours lost in each office that's when the s**t hits the fan for delivery staff and more conflict ahead get the lazy revision barsteward team to test duties on foot see how they get on

why would the sh!t hit the fan if hours that aren't being used are taken out?

Why would anyone argue against the use of PDA actuals?

Because the data theyve got is worthless! It's been gathered while people are starting early to get out earlier than they would and not "doing the job properly" and take no consideration of the different speeds people work at. If they use the data to takes hours/duties out you will end up with duties that are tiny and some that are huge because of people who finish early or late according to actuals but nothing actually to do with the duties just the people who have been doing them.
If they want to use actuals they need everyone working the same way and have a standard to measure outdoor performance (work rate) against then they might be of some use, but still highly unlikely