Masks for indoor work

[Woody Guthrie]

Do you ever stop to think why the vast majority of the scientific community around the world and the vast majority of the medical community around the world all qualified to a level you could only dream of think you're talking s**t?

Does that not make you think that talking about infection rates, mortality rates and comorbity as if you actually know better than they do is a bit..embarrassing?

Reading stuff on the Internet is not the same as knowing stuff.

[milly]

Do you ever stop to think why the vast majority of the scientific community around the world and the vast majority of the medical community around the world all qualified to a level you could only dream of think you're talking s**t?

Does that not make you think that talking about infection rates, mortality rates and comorbity as if you actually know better than they do is a bit..embarrassing?

Reading stuff on the Internet is not the same as knowing stuff.

You are embarrassing, keep believing those wrong projections from Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London.
Trust Boris and Hancock, and keep being scared.
And remember Hands,Face,Space.

[ddtc]

It just seems a lot of people are happy to accept the population who are high risk to just catch it and die. So the vast majority of people aren't at risk of dying, so lets just not take measures to protect others who aren't so fortunate.

How do people think like this? Do you not have any friends or family who are high risk? Would you not feel guilty if you passed it on to them if you are one of the many that show no symptoms but carry it? What if because you passed it on to them they died? What then? Are we suppose to feel bad for you when you realise you could of done better in protecting them? Why don't you just goto the pub and drink yourself happy as thats what you want. Oh wait my bad.

[Pumpernickel]

The whole thing is a massive over reaction to something that thankfully isn't that deadly.

You don't know what is or isn't an overreaction to this virus. Noone knows yet.

The fact it "isn't that deadly" (unless it deads you) isn't the only consideration as many people have debilitating long term consequences from Covid. We don't know how long term these will be yet, or how they may reduce life expectancy along with that drop in QoL, so I'm not going to chance it with my workmates, family, or myself for the sake of a piece of cloth on my face.

[nutcracker]

The whole thing is a massive over reaction to something that thankfully isn't that deadly.

You don't know what is or isn't an overreaction to this virus. Noone knows yet.

The fact it "isn't that deadly" (unless it deads you) isn't the only consideration as many people have debilitating long term consequences from Covid. We don't know how long term these will be yet, or how they may reduce life expectancy along with that drop in QoL, so I'm not going to chance it with my workmates, family, or myself for the sake of a piece of cloth on my face.

It’s strange how few people seem to understand that the more cases we have the worse we will be economically and socially, as well as from a health perspective.

A high probability of catching a killer virus of the vulnerable means tens of millions of people will opt out of participating fully in the economy.

[nutcracker]

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You are embarrassing, keep believing those wrong projections from Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London.
Trust Boris and Hancock, and keep being scared.
And remember Hands,Face,Space.
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Can you state why the projection was incorrect? I thought it was pretty accurate using my own simple back of the envelope calculation.

The projection was that IF we did not intervene 500,000 would die and the health service would collapse. We did something and it changed the course of the projection.

If I had to be critical of Ferguson it was that the projection underestimated the deaths...it would have been a lot higher IF we did nothing.

[milly]

The whole thing is a massive over reaction to something that thankfully isn't that deadly.

You don't know what is or isn't an overreaction to this virus. Noone knows yet.

The fact it "isn't that deadly" (unless it deads you) isn't the only consideration as many people have debilitating long term consequences from Covid. We don't know how long term these will be yet, or how they may reduce life expectancy along with that drop in QoL, so I'm not going to chance it with my workmates, family, or myself for the sake of a piece of cloth on my face.

Well done!
You are a very obedient citizen who will believe everything the BBC,SKY News, Boris, Hancock, Whitty and Hancock etc tells you about Covid without question.

[P13]

The whole thing is a massive over reaction to something that thankfully isn't that deadly.

You don't know what is or isn't an overreaction to this virus. Noone knows yet.

The fact it "isn't that deadly" (unless it deads you) isn't the only consideration as many people have debilitating long term consequences from Covid. We don't know how long term these will be yet, or how they may reduce life expectancy along with that drop in QoL, so I'm not going to chance it with my workmates, family, or myself for the sake of a piece of cloth on my face.

Well done!
You are a very obedient citizen who will believe everything the BBC,SKY News, Boris, Hancock, Whitty and Hancock etc tells you about Covid without question.

And of course your an expert , you should stop being disrespectful to people who have died and their families . Do you believe we should let people die because they are older ?

[milly]

You are embarrassing, keep believing those wrong projections from Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London.
Trust Boris and Hancock, and keep being scared.
And remember Hands,Face,Space.
[/quote]

Can you state why the projection was incorrect? I thought it was pretty accurate using my own simple back of the envelope calculation.

The projection was that IF we did not intervene 500,000 would die and the health service would collapse. We did something and it changed the course of the projection.

If I had to be critical of Ferguson it was that the projection underestimated the deaths...it would have been a lot higher IF we did nothing.
[/quote]

Have a look at Neil Fergusons predictions for Foot & Mouth, BSE, Bird Flu and Swine Flu.
You and Boris Johnson must be the only people in the world to take his predictions seriously.

[nutcracker]

You are embarrassing, keep believing those wrong projections from Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London.
Trust Boris and Hancock, and keep being scared.
And remember Hands,Face,Space.

Can you state why the projection was incorrect? I thought it was pretty accurate using my own simple back of the envelope calculation.

The projection was that IF we did not intervene 500,000 would die and the health service would collapse. We did something and it changed the course of the projection.

If I had to be critical of Ferguson it was that the projection underestimated the deaths...it would have been a lot higher IF we did nothing.
[/quote]

Have a look at Neil Fergusons predictions for Foot & Mouth, BSE, Bird Flu and Swine Flu.
You and Boris Johnson must be the only people in the world to take his predictions seriously.
[/quote]

I’ll ask again, can you say why you think the projection was incorrect?

[milly]

You are embarrassing, keep believing those wrong projections from Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London.
Trust Boris and Hancock, and keep being scared.
And remember Hands,Face,Space.

Can you state why the projection was incorrect? I thought it was pretty accurate using my own simple back of the envelope calculation.

The projection was that IF we did not intervene 500,000 would die and the health service would collapse. We did something and it changed the course of the projection.

If I had to be critical of Ferguson it was that the projection underestimated the deaths...it would have been a lot higher IF we did nothing.

Have a look at Neil Fergusons predictions for Foot & Mouth, BSE, Bird Flu and Swine Flu.
You and Boris Johnson must be the only people in the world to take his predictions seriously.
[/quote]

I’ll ask again, can you say why you think the projection was incorrect?

Because it was obviously incorrect, no Country in the World has had 500000 deaths.
Before you try and say it was because of Lockdowns, the death rate was dropping before we went into Lockdown.
And according to those other two clowns Vallance and Whitty we were supposed 4000 deaths a day in the so-called second wave.
Sweden ignored Ferguson's incorrect modelling and have done quite well.
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[Woody Guthrie]

Nobody is listening to Neil Ferguson, he resigned ages ago and his projections were based on doing nothing which we clearly didn't do.

Nobody is taking advice from Boris or Hancock, they're politicians FFS.

Sensible people are listening to the vast majority of the world's scientific community who are advising said numpty politicians.

Who are you taking your advice from Milly?

Name some names?

And remember it really should be a lot of highly qualified names if you're going to call out the rest of science, not a few outliers and attention seekers.

[Pumpernickel]

The whole thing is a massive over reaction to something that thankfully isn't that deadly.

You don't know what is or isn't an overreaction to this virus. Noone knows yet.

The fact it "isn't that deadly" (unless it deads you) isn't the only consideration as many people have debilitating long term consequences from Covid. We don't know how long term these will be yet, or how they may reduce life expectancy along with that drop in QoL, so I'm not going to chance it with my workmates, family, or myself for the sake of a piece of cloth on my face.

Well done!
You are a very obedient citizen who will believe everything the BBC,SKY News, Boris, Hancock, Whitty and Hancock etc tells you about Covid without question.

I don't believe everything the current government say about anything. I don't believe they've done enough, and I know they are just lining up excuses to blame everyone else for their failings.
I also know the BBCs main political reporter is more of a stooge than a journalist. I don't watch Sky.
I'm not going to act like a complete muppet in pretending a piece of cloth over my face is some massive burden though, especially considering the majority of my body is covered in clothing most of the time. I haven't seen any reports of naked postmen who stand against the tyranny of wearing shorts and shirts yet.
As for the hint of being against it as a way to be against authoritarianism: cameras can't track you very well if your face is behind a piece of cloth...

I'll add: For me it's not about doing what those in charge say: it's about doing reasonable things to be safer. I've been wearing masks since the very beginning of this in the UK (homemade masks) back when the government were telling us not to. I don't wear it all the time, but I make sure I put it on in appropriate places (whenever I go indoors where there are other people around).
Countries where the population generally wear masks regardless have fared much better than countries where the population don't. Those people haven't been wearing masks for years due to any law, or authoritarian requirement: they have been wearing them to protect themselves from the pollution they are subject to in the cities they live in.

[tractorboy2]

How many people really are exempt from wearing a face covering , just go on the hidden disabilities website purchase a lanyard and face covering exemption card for £4.32 job done. No proof needed. I really am fed up with having to work in a mail centre where several staff are wearing such things and most of those are casuals. So much for my health and wellbeing.

[milly]

Nobody is listening to Neil Ferguson, he resigned ages ago and his projections were based on doing nothing which we clearly didn't do.

Nobody is taking advice from Boris or Hancock, they're politicians FFS.

Sensible people are listening to the vast majority of the world's scientific community who are advising said numpty politicians.

Who are you taking your advice from Milly?

Name some names?

And remember it really should be a lot of highly qualified names if you're going to call out the rest of science, not a few outliers and attention seekers.

People like Dr Carl Henegan,John Ioannidis,Sunetra Gupta,Dr Karol Sikora Dr Mike Yeadon and Ivor Cummins make far more sense and reasoned arguments ,rather than the hysteria perpetuated by SAGE, Whitty and Vallance and the government.