FAO Martin Walsh / Dingo

[Blueged196]

The longer there’s no updates from CWU HQ, it really does make me think that they know posties will not like the deal between RM and CWU and the best thing is too wait until after Xmas then hit us with it..... hope I’m wrong!!!

[Woody Guthrie]

It's a bit strange that not that long ago Martin you were threatening the members with 5 hr deliveries until it was pointed out that most of the members outside your area were already perfectly familiar with 5 hr deliveries on a routine basis.

Now suddenly the bet has been raised to 6 hr deliveries?

That's interesting but explain to me how a 6 hr delivery ties in with the SWW?

I mean a 35hr week is a 7hr day right?
And we still get a break right?

Even if everything comes in pre-sorted including the D2D in the famous shrink wrap and all those parcels and letters are fully mechanised and somehow make it mysteriously into the back of the van on their own and the specials and PDAs collect themselves and the vans check themselves and we basically arrive to a fully loaded van with the engine running a full-timer isn't going to manage that so is the new business strategy to invent time travel?

And I've not even addressed the issue of part-timers and 6hr delivery spans...

If this is a genuine Royal Mail proposal it's hilarious, if it isn't stop it with the scare stories, they're bordering on the ridiculous now.

[Dexydog]

Something doesn't add up, does it??
Don't know about time travel but RM must think my combo is a tardis...
Perhaps when I'm half way round they could beam me up the rest of the parcels it's impossible to fit in my van atm.
Their whole thought process is flawed from start to finish.

[postieblueshirt]

As others have mentioned there never any thought given to the need for a loo.im getting a bit old for holding my no1s and 2s in for 6 hours...

[renrag40]

Something doesn't add up, does it??
Don't know about time travel but RM must think my combo is a tardis...
Perhaps when I'm half way round they could beam me up the rest of the parcels it's impossible to fit in my van atm.
Their whole thought process is flawed from start to finish.

Meanwhile Terry is having to struggle on ...... paid a mere pittance of £300+ per DAY...... assuming he works 7 days a week.

[Manboat]

Spoke to a planner in our place recently and he said our office is 5 hour span, has Martin put 6 by mistake, also we’ll be going to less houses less often with mail won’t we if this other budget mail or whatever it was called gets passed off.

[Woody Guthrie]

Woody the CWU want to protect the 6 Day USO that is our policy.

Our policy is clear and it was one of the 21 issues we had balloted on.

Ask 100,000 members what the 6 day USO means to them and 99% will tell you it means 6 day letter deliveries so no the union's policy is not clear to anyone outside of HQ.

What is the union policy on 6 day letter delivery?
No waffle.
Do we rise up are have we gone limp?
The members deserve straight answers.

I'm prepared to fight but not if the Generals have already agreed the terms of surrender.

[Weetrogg2]

Martin

I don’t envy you having to try “defend” the leadership of the CWU but these negotiations are farcical

The USO is a complete red herring, it will be decided by the regulator and politicians

TP has been negotiating without any consultation with the membership, he seems to speak with the PEC/Div Reps and branch secs quite regularly but the problem is none of the said union hierarchy have been any where near a delivery, collection or Mail Centre for years and don’t have any understanding of how things really are on the front line.

TP has been telling us for weeks a deal will be reached next week. It’s nonsense

I support this union and it’s members 100% but the current leadership really need to seriously consider there positions because they look amateurish and inept and it’s really starting to grate with the membership.

[Ddarko85]

Yea, I’d like to know how us lot on 25 hour contracts are going to be doing 6 hour delivery span. Even a 5 day week that’s 30 hours. Doesn’t make much sense when they won’t even increase our contracted hours.

[Woody Guthrie]

The USO is a complete red herring, it will be decided by the regulator and politicians

Like privatisation?
I seem to remember a great deal of resources went into fighting that even though it was decided by politicians.

What Royal Mail chooses to deliver above and beyond the minimum standards laid down by the USO is the important matter especially to the jobs involved, what is a red herring is passing off the responsibility for pushing for as much as possible to some outside influence.

[Weetrogg2]

The changes to the USO will have absolutely no relevance to this “deal” as the changes to the law and regulations will not happen in the near future or hopefully not at all.

I’m opposed to any reduction in the USO as I was with privatisation and believe the union and membership should do everything they can to try and stop it but I don’t buy that the USO issue is holding up or effecting negotiations

[k979aaa]

The changes to the USO will have absolutely no relevance to this “deal” as the changes to the law and regulations will not happen in the near future or hopefully not at all.

I’m opposed to any reduction in the USO as I was with privatisation and believe the union and membership should do everything they can to try and stop it but I don’t buy that the USO issue is holding up or effecting negotiations

Seconded we all have jobs at the moment why shat on the 1 in 6 of of our fellow workers so some piss poor people who cannot manage within their means lose their jobs because of these piss poor individuals cannot rein in their spending for a BMW! with a pay rise!

[tractorboy2]

Yea, I’d like to know how us lot on 25 hour contracts are going to be doing 6 hour delivery span. Even a 5 day week that’s 30 hours. Doesn’t make much sense when they won’t even increase our contracted hours.

They take an hour off you , and you work 4 days. Simple
Don't take offence , just a joke !!

[Woody Guthrie]

The changes to the USO will have absolutely no relevance to this “deal” as the changes to the law and regulations will not happen in the near future or hopefully not at all.

This deal isn't simply about pay, it's about the future direction of the business and how we as a membership get a say in shaping that future.

2022 is just over 12 months away, that's near future to most people and having at least 9 months of talks on how we move the company forward without mentioning such a huge shake up in deliveries is either extremely unprofessional or as I suspect blatantly untrue.

I’m opposed to any reduction in the USO as I was with privatisation and believe the union and membership should do everything they can to try and stop it but I don’t buy that the USO issue is holding up or effecting negotiations

Well that's the point really.
If we're going to fight it we might be wasting our time because I suspect HQ has already decided on a plan to sacrifice 6 day letters delivery in return for pretending Tracked are a USO product.

The question is simple, does the union intend to throw its full force behind defending the 6 day letters delivery?

It's a simple Yes/No question that the members have the right to and should be able to know now. There's no need to sit on our hands until the deed is done.

[Martin Walsh]

Woody it is not a simple yes or no answer is it.

Let’s take privatisation , we defeated it 3 times and than Vince a cable as part of the coalition had the numbers to get it though parliament and we changed tact to ensure we got a legally binding agreement to stop outsourcing, franchising , breaking up the company and creating a two tier workforce which is common for privatised companies.

The USO obligation for 6 days reflects only 42% of what is delivered each day. Yet we deliver parcels , tracked and several other products everyday which are not part of the USO.

Our policy is to maintain a 6 day USO. We will campaign to keep it.

However if Of Com recommend that the USO is no long sustainable 6 days per week and they set unrealistic efficiency targets for Royal Mail if they continue to deliver 6 days than what should we do ?

Especially if Royal Mail get behind that issue ? Do we still fight it or do we enter into discussions over no compulsory redundancies, better pay and better attendance patterns ?

We not at that point and this agreement make no decision on the USO as it is not in either parties gift.

We do not need to make any change to our current policy to protect the USO until we know whether following the return to normality what letters will come back and in what numbers have parcels continued to increase by.


Part of our strategy to protect the USO must be to get more than 42% of what is delivered each day in the USO. We want tracked to be part of the USO, we want different parcel streams to be part of the USO. Hermes want to have DSA form for parcels.

So this is not a yes or no answer.

Royal Mail have also admitted when they stood down letters from being delivered on a Saturday and concentrated on delivering parcels on a Saturday it was far more Labour intensive than they previously thought and that in itself may lead to the downdialing of Job losses from any change in the USO.

So let’s me clear our policy remains that we want to protect the 6 day service but we have to have a plan b and c as this is not within our gift either by negotiations or a dispute.