Thanks for the information Martin. Although I understand negotiations are at a critical stage I think TPs bluster on Facebook has been unwise and needs to stop. I have been a rep for over 15 years and can honestly say in the last 9 months or so the most hassle I’ve had from members has been due to TPS Facebook rants, such as the 3 day week one.
Everybody knows there is big change needed and most of the workforce are up but every time he goes on Facebook he seems to back himself into a corner. Cannot say I’m not cheesed of that yet again we been promised something by HQ but they have failed to deliver again.
TP needs to negotiate the best deal he can and then put it to the membership to accept or not, an forget all the bullshit and bluster, and for Christ sake stay off Facebook!!!!
Cheers for that, sounds like theres too much to get sorted by the end of the year Martin, wish they’d just say so instead of getting our hopes up there’s gonna be some communication then saying they’re not quite there yet, even if Terry give us 5 minutes of basic info would be better than nowt.
Why say cheers to someone whos basically telling us nothing just like terry.too much to get sorted what a shambles how long do they need. rem martin posted this would be done by end of july.
ok martin lots of things going down , but in the now moment ,do you think a pay deal will be got soon , with the pandemic etc , the chancellor mr sunak will no doubt be upping taxes to repay the goverment debt , the council tax , the bills , the rent, etc. i know before you all jump its not just about the pay deal, and there is massive changes needed, the working week hours, are not enough to cover the amount of work the delivery postman so i for one agree on the scan in scan out procedure , i think then RM will realise how much we actually achieve each working day for them,i for one think this move would have the managers in uproar at the amount of daily overtime they would have to pay,as it would be to the minute.even at these levels if they take the larger packets away ,the workload is still unachievable in the daily working hours, need extra workers not less.
ok martin lots of things going down , but in the now moment ,do you think a pay deal will be got soon , with the pandemic etc , the chancellor mr sunak will no doubt be upping taxes to repay the goverment debt , the council tax , the bills , the rent, etc. i know before you all jump its not just about the pay deal, and there is massive changes needed, the working week hours, are not enough to cover the amount of work the delivery postman does, so i for one agree on the scan in scan out procedure , i think then RM will realise how much we actually achieve each working day for them,i for one think this move would have the managers in uproar at the amount of daily overtime they would have to pay,as it would be to the minute.even at these levels if they take the larger packets away ,the workload is still unachievable in the daily working hours, need extra workers not less.
Martin, one thing that does need sorting and is quite frankly a disgrace that it has gone on for years and years is the overtime rate.
We keep hearing data hours capture, yearly revisions, work all the hours you are paid to work etc. That's fine, not a problem with that at all and it will come as a shock to some to actually have to work the hours they are paid to work, but actual hours worked for overtime should be paid at the going rate for overtime which should be at time and a half. If this was the case there would be more good will from the workers side to go the extra mile when it was needed and it would make managers and the business focus more on not throwing lapsing or at the drop of a hat and focus instead on levelling rounds out
We also keep hearing that Royal Mail are living in the past with hand written signing in and out. So lets get real. For years and years there has been back hand ghost overtime deals for some and on the over hand there has been what can only be described as enforced overtime and the breeding ground for these is the fact that overtime is paid at a rate that is barely above average hourly pay and then to top things off, it actually goes down after more than 10hrs overtime.
So can you tell us. Is this on the table this time around or are we still going to live in the past?
Martin, one thing that does need sorting and is quite frankly a disgrace that it has gone on for years and years is the overtime rate.
We keep hearing data hours capture, yearly revisions, work all the hours you are paid to work etc. That's fine, not a problem with that at all and it will come as a shock to some to actually have to work the hours they are paid to work, but actual hours worked for overtime should be paid at the going rate for overtime which should be at time and a half. If this was the case there would be more good will from the workers side to go the extra mile when it was needed and it would make managers and the business focus more on not throwing lapsing or at the drop of a hat and focus instead on levelling rounds out
We also keep hearing that Royal Mail are living in the past with hand written signing in and out. So lets get real. For years and years there has been back hand ghost overtime deals for some and on the over hand there has been what can only be described as enforced overtime and the breeding ground for these is the fact that overtime is paid at a rate that is barely above average hourly pay and then to top things off, it actually goes down after more than 10hrs overtime.
So can you tell us. Is this on the table this time around or are we still going to live in the past?
Terry & Boris new cooking programme oven ready deals in minutes.
Why is it just the union getting the blame? It takes 2 to come to an agreement, Royal Mail have wasted time & money in the last few years, we had an agreement but Rico didn’t stick to it. Stuart Simpson is also saying that an agreement is very close.
i for one would totally agree with scan in and out , or clocking in and out , but it will cost the company a fortune as the amount of early starters in ours some up to 2 hours and all for free , and this would also stop managers doing dodgy deals to get work covered
i for one would totally agree with scan in and out , or clocking in and out , but it will cost the company a fortune as the amount of early starters in ours some up to 2 hours and all for free , and this would also stop managers doing dodgy deals to get work covered
Totally agree, people still think it’s job & jack! I am even guilty coming in early only 10 minutes but over the week it mounts up to 50 free minutes a week!
Also in the last few weeks people that are doing the LAT parcels in the afternoon on overtime are getting a hand with there delivery so they can do the LAT parcels!!! Ghost overtime! Getting paid overtime until 7pm but finished by 4.30 pm crazy!
However I can say that the talks are about agreeing guiding principles some of which will need further detail and agreement.
Not good. Membership has been promised a conclusion to this mess time and time again and to now being told this. Not happy. This has been going on long enough now and serious questions should be asked of leadership.
The only reason im still in the CWU is because of the leverage is creates at national level. Locally and day to day real terms they have been useless. Sometimes worse than useless. Patience wearing very thin.
TP and Ward are relics. Gangster wannabes. The CWU needs modernising.
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It's a very strange thing to announce that we nearly have an agreement.
If the outstanding issues are minor then we have an agreement, if they're major then we don't.
If the business is haggling over the exact form of words they are obviously looking for future wiggle room which doesn't give us much confidence given that we had an agreement in 2018 which the business chose to ignore.
Where are we with the 5 day letter service Martin, are we just going to ignore it and hope it goes away? It's potentially to use one of your favourite phrases.. a game changer.
It's a very strange thing to announce that we nearly have an agreement.
If the outstanding issues are minor then we have an agreement, if they're major then we don't.
If the business is haggling over the exact form of words they are obviously looking for future wiggle room which doesn't give us much confidence given that we had an agreement in 2018 which the business chose to ignore.
Where are we with the 5 day letter service Martin, are we just going to ignore it and hope it goes away? It's potentially to use one of your favourite phrases.. a game changer.
I'm not convinced....if the FP agreement was water tight then courts would have been involved. More like the triggers for SWW and similar were never reached so they never happened.
It's a very strange thing to announce that we nearly have an agreement.
If the outstanding issues are minor then we have an agreement, if they're major then we don't.
If the business is haggling over the exact form of words they are obviously looking for future wiggle room which doesn't give us much confidence given that we had an agreement in 2018 which the business chose to ignore.
Where are we with the 5 day letter service Martin, are we just going to ignore it and hope it goes away? It's potentially to use one of your favourite phrases.. a game changer.
I'm not convinced....if the FP agreement was water tight then courts would have been involved. More like the triggers for SWW and similar were never reached so they never happened.
You can't really take a collective agreement through the courts, it doesn't have any legal standing.
That's why the legal protections in the original agenda for growth were separated from the main agreement although to be honest I doubt they would have held up either given that all an employer needs to do is show that any agreement could risk the financial sustainability of the business. No court is going to place an entire business at risk to protect a collective bargaining agreement.
This is why we strike, because we cannot rely on the law to protect our terms and conditions.
But you're right, the Four Pillars was so vague and gave the business so much room to move the goalposts that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
Let's hope lessons have been learned... But I doubt it.
, but it will cost the company a fortune as the amount of early starters in ours some up to 2 hours and all for free 
, and this would also stop managers doing dodgy deals to get work covered