No More Behind Closed Doors Talks

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 27 Oct 2020, 15:29

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Gary Clark, CWU Scotland no.2 branch secretary (personal capacity)

The Communication Workers’ Union (CWU) are in vital talks with senior Royal Mail management which could decide the future of the 500-year-old institution of Royal Mail and what type of company it will be post-Covid.

The strength of the CWU forced Royal Mail CEO Rico Back out, which was seen a victory for the CWU, but as we pointed out, we still had a dispute with management on our hands, and a live industrial action ballot. The CWU leadership made a major mistake by allowing the ballot to run out and an extension should have been demanded, before entering negotiations with Royal Mail.

The ballot has now run its time limit, and negotiations are ongoing, and have been held in a format of strict confidence, which has caused frustration among our membership.

All negotiations should be held in full view of the members. The membership has seen no difference in management since Rico Back was removed. It remains the same and everyday is a battle in the workplace.

There have been leaks around what Royal Mail is offering in the current talks, and how they want the future of Royal Mail doesn’t look good. Royal Mail views the future of the CWU as only representing the membership on personnel issues.

Royal Mail want to be able to do anything they want as a business. In negotiations with the CWU, it is looking for a reduction of CWU reps and officials by 25%. A clear attack on how we represent the membership and how a trade union operates.

The union must now reach out to the members and prepare them for another ballot. No more behind closed doors talks, everything should be up front and open to the membership, as Royal Mail clearly, even after Rico Back was removed, still want to smash the union.

We must now get back onto a war footing and prepare again for a battle with management and demand renationalisation of Royal Mail to take it out of the hands of the likes of Rico Back and run it under democratic workers’ control.

Post by **aiden01** » 27 Oct 2020, 15:33

Martin walsh has already stated there wont be another ballot.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 27 Oct 2020, 15:41

aiden01 wrote:Martin Walsh has already stated there wont be another ballot.

It isn't Martin Walsh's decision to make.

Post by **aiden01** » 27 Oct 2020, 16:44

clashcityrocker wrote:
aiden01 wrote:Martin Walsh has already stated there wont be another ballot.
It isn't Martin Walsh's decision to make.

Well as he sits on pec he must have more of clue than ordinary cwu members of what is going on.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 27 Oct 2020, 16:51

Gary Clarke is the Branch secretary of Scotland number 2.
I assume he is allowed to have an opinion.

Post by **aiden01** » 27 Oct 2020, 16:56

clashcityrocker wrote:Gary Clarke is the Branch secretary of Scotland number 2.
I assume he is allowed to have an opinion.

Of course he is just like everyone else is allowed an opinion.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 27 Oct 2020, 17:11

aiden01 wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote:
aiden01 wrote:Martin Walsh has already stated there wont be another ballot.
It isn't Martin Walsh's decision to make.
Well as he sits on pec he must have more of clue than ordinary cwu members of what is going on.

The PEC is not the Politburo.
It does not speak as one through Martin.
What he posts on here are very much his own opinions or more accurately perhaps the opinion of the London Divisional Committee.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 27 Oct 2020, 17:24

he's probably bang on about there won't be another ballot though.

Post69 · Post by **Post69** » 27 Oct 2020, 22:24

I was reading that with interest.....until I noticed it was from the socialist party

bowie · Post by **bowie** » 28 Oct 2020, 17:54

Won’t be another ballot lol,the workers will decide that simple,and I will back the union until I die simple

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 28 Oct 2020, 18:16

bowie wrote:Won’t be another ballot lol,the workers will decide that simple,and I will back the union until I die simple

How will the workers decide?

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 28 Oct 2020, 23:49

Woody Guthrie wrote:
bowie wrote:Won’t be another ballot lol,the workers will decide that simple,and I will back the union until I die simple
How will the workers decide?

You will get a vote with a recommendation but as most will just go with anything anyone tells them to do as it is the deal of the millennium they will vote for it. Most people cannot be bothered to read it or do something about it and the ones that do will be trouble makers seen it all before five times over!

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 29 Oct 2020, 06:53

k979aaa wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
bowie wrote:Won’t be another ballot lol,the workers will decide that simple,and I will back the union until I die simple
How will the workers decide?
You will get a vote with a recommendation but as most will just go with anything anyone tells them to do as it is the deal of the millennium they will vote for it. Most people cannot be bothered to read it or do something about it and the ones that do will be trouble makers seen it all before five times over!

It'll basically be DO staff who vote it in or out. They outnumber us in MCs 2:1 it might even be 3:1 now

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 29 Oct 2020, 07:48

SpacePhoenix wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
bowie wrote:Won’t be another ballot lol,the workers will decide that simple,and I will back the union until I die simple
How will the workers decide?
You will get a vote with a recommendation but as most will just go with anything anyone tells them to do as it is the deal of the millennium they will vote for it. Most people cannot be bothered to read it or do something about it and the ones that do will be trouble makers seen it all before five times over!
It'll basically be DO staff who vote it in or out. They outnumber us in MCs 2:1 it might even be 3:1 now

None of that was what I meant
The original post seems to suggest that the workers will decide whether there's another ballot or not.
I'm interested to find out how.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 29 Oct 2020, 18:49

I know what you meant woody. we the workers only get to decide once we have been given a ballot to vote on. which will only come from the union hierarchy. not us the members.