Understand the external threat

wf · Post by wf » 25 Oct 2020, 18:45

Are you happy to be looking for another job right now?[/quote]

There’s a queue in my office wanting out .id love to see the older guys getting out on good terms
I’d go tomorrow ,there are plenty of delivery jobs around in this climate

Post by **aiden01** » 25 Oct 2020, 18:49

wf wrote:Are you happy to be looking for another job right now?

There’s a queue in my office wanting out .id love to see the older guys getting out on good terms
I’d go tomorrow ,there are plenty of delivery jobs around in this climate[/quote]
Whats the pay like minimum wage

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 25 Oct 2020, 19:04

Martin Walsh wrote: I have given this board an update , there was a complaint there was no update.

Thank you for the update.
Is it an official update?
I think what most people wanted was one of those whose wages we pay ( handsomely) to bother to update us.

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 25 Oct 2020, 19:06

Martin Walsh wrote:I have to say I am surprised no one has picked up on the pressure that Royal Mail are under to agree a deal.

No deal with the CWU will mean real pressure on GLS being sold and than as Royal Mail has not made a profit on its own for several years the share price drops and than a take over with the direct aim of breaking up the profitable parts of the company and letting the rest including the USO wither on the vine.

The CWU don’t need a ballot to get a deal Royal Mail need a deal , but it is what change are we willing to agree under any pay or wider agreement.

We know what our red lines are but we also know change is never welcomed but sometimes done for the greater good of the membership remember D2D ? Remember Saturdays becoming a normal day ? Remember absorption , remember sequencing Mail , remember cuts the second delivery , remember Mail centre closures ? Remember the cut to final salary ?

None of those were welcomed changes but necessary moves based on evidence and facts and in exchange for job security and benefits.

So be warned any agreement will come with significant change but not the attack on terms and conditions Royal Mail want.

Finally it does make me laugh I put up what Royal Mail want and you argue with me on there merits , I won’t be agreeing them and I don’t think they will work , but please believe me Royal Mail are deadly serious about them.

i dont think the company would be split up or go down the pan as i think the goverment would take it back as they coudnt let it , but that is just my thought ,

Post by **aiden01** » 25 Oct 2020, 19:11

clashcityrocker wrote:
Martin Walsh wrote: I have given this board an update , there was a complaint there was no update.
Thank you for the update.
Is it an official update?
I think what most people wanted was one of those whose wages we pay ( handsomely) to bother to update us.

Think he is clash but setting us up for a big fall.

Manboat · Post by **Manboat** » 25 Oct 2020, 19:14

Thanks for a heads up on how things are going, it doesn’t sound great but I’d rather know the truth than not hear anything for weeks on end, regarding the uso, surely Royal Mail can’t afford to wait 2 years for it to be changed though

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 25 Oct 2020, 19:27

If Royal Mail are under pressure to agree a deal then their initial offer is an embarrassment. But faced with a Union that clearly doesn't want to ballot, the CWU will obviously agree to things that are odds with its members. So what are the Unions red lines??

It's confidential,of course...

Personally, I don't like the idea of this 100 bullsh*t indicator (bsi or whatever it's called). Would it apply to line managers who still spend approx 90% of their time stuck in their offices doing sweet fa?? Any possible areas of Conduct code for not working at the required rate that you should be working at should be immediately thrown out. Non-culpable I might get add. Just remember what happened with the PDAs... The business said it was for the benefit of our customers, and then later they started to use them big brother style to check up on us, for example.

Automated clocking machines I have no problem with. The business have already invested in them so it's going to be rolled out. It won't stop postie's signing in early, will it be used to prevent them from leaving before their time though??

We already have 5 hour delivery spans in our office with the exception of many rural duties. Part of their duties include the hour and half travelling time, of course.

Finally, why is it always us on the frontline who are tagged with being the problem area when it comes to costs?? What about getting rid of the courier and its staff? What about those working in customer services? What about all those non profit making positions that exist in the Royal Mail?

matthew68 · Post by **matthew68** » 25 Oct 2020, 19:29

2yearpostie wrote:
wf wrote:So the update is ...there is no update

Maybe we need to accept redundancies and maybe look into buy downs again
Let people go that want to go or reduce their hours through buy downs
It looks to me like no pay rise will be paid until a huge amount of the workforce is gone .why would they give a pay rise to people who are leaving anyway .that would be their way of thinking surely
Then the union can get back to doing what they are supposed to do ,fight for the remaining members .
Sure if we only have to work our hours this shouldn’t be a problem should it ?
I understand the Cwu would be wary of losing 10k -20k members subs ,but it looks inevitable anyway .so let’s get the best packages we can ,then Cwu can try and get these jobs filled again when everything collapses in around the business
Are you happy to be looking for another job right now?

I expect a lot of guys in there 50s and 60s would happily leave as a lot of them are financially secure and with redundancy take early retirement, also there are people who would happily take redundancy it’s not for everyone but I’m sure you’d get 10-15 000 volunteers then they can rebuild for the future

Grumpyoldmailman · Post by **Grumpyoldmailman** » 25 Oct 2020, 19:38

matthew68 wrote:I expect a lot of guys in there 50s and 60s would happily leave as a lot of them are financially secure and with redundancy take early retirement, also there are people who would happily take redundancy it’s not for everyone but I’m sure you’d get 10-15 000 volunteers then they can rebuild for the future

I’m one of them. Can a company allegedly losing the figures quoted above afford to pay 10-15 thousand people off on the current terms though, that’s the question.

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 25 Oct 2020, 19:48

the one thing i cant get my head round is this is what r/m are wanting out of the dispute , but yet they have already pushed on with there 2nd parcel hub , the CWU have also agreed to all there trials and agreed to parcel collections which has put more pressure on the delivery staff by the way

, but yet the company have ignored the 1 year pay deal with no strings attached , so we have got nothing out of this dispute up to now

, so i wont hold my breathe then .

Grumpyoldmailman · Post by **Grumpyoldmailman** » 25 Oct 2020, 19:55

Just had a look, 19th November is when the half year results are announced.

FacesOfStone · Post by **FacesOfStone** » 25 Oct 2020, 20:30

You look at the conditions elsewhere, see from that article the sort of gig economy approach RM's top dogs are itching to implement (with far fewer staff) and still you get people who dismiss the idea that a substantial universal basic income is going to be absolutely essential to stop society from collapsing in on itself over the next decade.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 25 Oct 2020, 20:32

Martin Walsh wrote:Royal Mail’s parcel separation plan is a few years away

Parcel separation is a joke, large and small Tracked mixed in together both in sleeves and on yorks. Tracked and non-Tracked mixed together. The odd SD thrown in for good measure. Many yorks of non-Tracked are often over half filled with small parcels and it's not unusual to find large parcels in the sleeves

matthew68 · Post by **matthew68** » 25 Oct 2020, 20:39

Grumpyoldmailman wrote:
matthew68 wrote:I expect a lot of guys in there 50s and 60s would happily leave as a lot of them are financially secure and with redundancy take early retirement, also there are people who would happily take redundancy it’s not for everyone but I’m sure you’d get 10-15 000 volunteers then they can rebuild for the future
I’m one of them. Can a company allegedly losing the figures quoted above afford to pay 10-15 thousand people off on the current terms though, that’s the question.

I think they would as they can claim some of it back in taxes but maybe they are hoping people just leave under these new ridiculous conditions of their own accord

taxi4leighton · Post by **taxi4leighton** » 25 Oct 2020, 21:11

There’s still no indication of where our union wants to be going forward
Do we have a long term strategy regarding u s o.for example
What about getting a four day week for full timers
Or a 7 day fortnight
Then longer delivery spans make sense
If hours have to be shed let’s get decent voluntary redundancies for those willingly going
And more importantly a better condition for those staying
More important let’s have more respect for our loyal workforce who do a wonderful job in sometimes difficult conditions

Have they forgot about key workers being heroes.?