Understand the external threat

[yubin282]

Sir Henry wrote:
Royal Mail want to introduce a new non culpable inefficiency procedure which is aimed at ensure individuals are working at 100BSi wtf does non culpable inefficiency mean and more importantly what happens to those that don't make the grade?

Non culpable inefficiency is a procedure that currently exists whereby if you are just crap at your job RM can look to remove you from their employ.
It is little used (in fact never) because you only have to make a small improvement to be removed from the procedure.

working at 100bsi - so that's 50% off my office on the dole. All because the 'managers' can't do there jobs.

[2yearpostie]

So what happened to 4 pillars
And what is your vision for the future
All you are doing is spreading doom and gloom
Fact is your members are I limbo
And have been for last year
No progress since the first ballot

I have given this board an update , there was a complaint there was no update.

Now I get accused of doom and gloom.

In terms of the 4 pillars we balloted because the company was not committed to that agreement.

Than COVID came and changed not only Royal Mail but the world.

Parcels have grown and letters have been lost.

There is less automation for parcels and because of the size Royal Mail have to lease premises to store the growth in parcels.

In terms of letters , they are hugely profitable as they are automated.

Royal Mail’s parcel separation plan is a few years away and the change in the USO is at least 2 years away.

So clearly If a company is making 500 million loss and that 70 percent of all costs are employees wages , overtime etc than it does not take much thinking to realise where Royal Mail see the direction they need to take to return to profitability.

But if you sack most of the delivery staff and only give the others 5 hours to complete the extra workload you end up with at best a high turn over of people with less customer service, at worst no one delivering the very stuff the company has been paid to do.
Maybe we should be looking at the people at the very top (Mr Williams and co) taking a more realistic wage of only 100k a year?

[Martin Walsh]

Toonshola we won’t have long to wait to see if I am right or your right.

However do you really think if Williams was going to tell the union to jog on he would have put an article in the times which encourages the CWU to make an agreement ?

[toonshola]

Toonshola we won’t have long to wait to see if I am right or your right.

However do you really think if Williams was going to tell the union to jog on he would have put an article in the times which encourages the CWU to make an agreement ?

He would prefer an agreement no doubt but when push comes to shove they can do what they want. After all the CWU don’t run the company which is why last years ballot mess up makes it all the more tragic. As you say probably not long to find out what RM will do but I’m not hopeful.

[wf]

So the update is ...there is no update

Maybe we need to accept redundancies and maybe look into buy downs again
Let people go that want to go or reduce their hours through buy downs
It looks to me like no pay rise will be paid until a huge amount of the workforce is gone .why would they give a pay rise to people who are leaving anyway .that would be their way of thinking surely
Then the union can get back to doing what they are supposed to do ,fight for the remaining members .
Sure if we only have to work our hours this shouldn’t be a problem should it ?
I understand the Cwu would be wary of losing 10k -20k members subs ,but it looks inevitable anyway .so let’s get the best packages we can ,then Cwu can try and get these jobs filled again when everything collapses in around the business

[Ren Hoëk]

Toonshola we won’t have long to wait to see if I am right or your right.

When? When will a proposal be put to the membership? Real fatigue is setting in.

[2yearpostie]

So the update is ...there is no update

Maybe we need to accept redundancies and maybe look into buy downs again
Let people go that want to go or reduce their hours through buy downs
It looks to me like no pay rise will be paid until a huge amount of the workforce is gone .why would they give a pay rise to people who are leaving anyway .that would be their way of thinking surely
Then the union can get back to doing what they are supposed to do ,fight for the remaining members .
Sure if we only have to work our hours this shouldn’t be a problem should it ?
I understand the Cwu would be wary of losing 10k -20k members subs ,but it looks inevitable anyway .so let’s get the best packages we can ,then Cwu can try and get these jobs filled again when everything collapses in around the business

Are you happy to be looking for another job right now?

[Sir Henry]

Sir Henry wrote:
Royal Mail want to introduce a new non culpable inefficiency procedure which is aimed at ensure individuals are working at 100BSi wtf does non culpable inefficiency mean and more importantly what happens to those that don't make the grade?

Non culpable inefficiency is a procedure that currently exists whereby if you are just crap at your job RM can look to remove you from their employ.
It is little used (in fact never) because you only have to make a small improvement to be removed from the procedure.

Cheers clash

[Martin Walsh]

Also those who believe we would be entitled to ballot and take industrial action.

Last years Royal Mail applied for an injunction and one of the most significant factors why they were successful was there was a general election happening and we were responsible for delivering the polling cards and election material ! It was quoted we were facing a wall of prejudice.

Now let’s examine where we are , we are in a world wide pandemic, over 150 deaths today from COVID. We deliver test kits throughout the UK , they are increasing , Royal Mail is one of the builders for the new test and trace contract. We also are delivering medicines and vital services and you really think with the emergency powers the Government got though parliament that they will let us ballot even if we wanted to ??

It ain’t going to happen.

[2yearpostie]

Also those who believe we would be entitled to ballot and take industrial action.

Last years Royal Mail applied for an injunction and one of the most significant factors why they were successful was there was a general election happening and we were responsible for delivering the polling cards and election material ! It was quoted we were facing a wall of prejudice.

Now let’s examine where we are , we are in a world wide pandemic, over 150 deaths today from COVID. We deliver test kits throughout the UK , they are increasing , Royal Mail is one of the builders for the new test and trace contract. We also are delivering medicines and vital services and you really think with the emergency powers the Government got though parliament that they will let us ballot even if we wanted to ??

It ain’t going to happen.

Neither is delivering all those covid kits and medicines if they make great swathes of us redundant.

[Grumpyoldmailman]

I’m too angry to go on too much but just a point I would like to make

“Beware of the external threat” - Is this removed them if RM get their way, even if these changes get passed hedge funds and private equity would still go for breaking the company up if it ment an extra £1 of profit to them.

We are getting sold out not by the financial sharks but by the people we pay to represent us.

[aiden01]

Also those who believe we would be entitled to ballot and take industrial action.

Last years Royal Mail applied for an injunction and one of the most significant factors why they were successful was there was a general election happening and we were responsible for delivering the polling cards and election material ! It was quoted we were facing a wall of prejudice.

Now let’s examine where we are , we are in a world wide pandemic, over 150 deaths today from COVID. We deliver test kits throughout the UK , they are increasing , Royal Mail is one of the builders for the new test and trace contract. We also are delivering medicines and vital services and you really think with the emergency powers the Government got though parliament that they will let us ballot even if we wanted to ??

It ain’t going to happen.

Covid is a nice get out clause martin.. remember joint statement at start of july why was this made?? Was it made in good faith??

[Woody Guthrie]

Most of us already know the landscape we're in Martin.
Perhaps you might like to tell Terry since he's the one using the language of war.

Yes we need to be realistic but that applies to both sides and isn't helped by scare stories.
Let's wait and see what's actually tabled and we'll discuss the realities rather than could have beens and might have beens..
Let's not try to sell a deal before one is even reached.

[aiden01]

Also those who believe we would be entitled to ballot and take industrial action.

Last years Royal Mail applied for an injunction and one of the most significant factors why they were successful was there was a general election happening and we were responsible for delivering the polling cards and election material ! It was quoted we were facing a wall of prejudice.

Now let’s examine where we are , we are in a world wide pandemic, over 150 deaths today from COVID. We deliver test kits throughout the UK , they are increasing , Royal Mail is one of the builders for the new test and trace contract. We also are delivering medicines and vital services and you really think with the emergency powers the Government got though parliament that they will let us ballot even if we wanted to ??

It ain’t going to happen.

Covid is a nice get out clause martin.. remember joint statement at start of july why was this made?? Was it made in good faith??

What does even if we want to ballot mean have the cwu given up??

[rambo1]

...and who makes the management 'work' harder?