Has the ballot result quietly expired?

[Grumpyoldmailman]

And now it has lapsed the talks have run into the sand. Stalled on pay , RM want a 3 yr deal that's less % than the managers got and more strings than the violin section of an orchestra

Pay wasn’t part of the dispute. No doubt it will be part of the next one though.

[freespeech]

And now it has lapsed the talks have run into the sand. Stalled on pay , RM want a 3 yr deal that's less % than the managers got and more strings than the violin section of an orchestra

The problem is the managers deal was a two year deal the second year of which has just been paid. I suspect if it was negotiated now it would have been nowhere near the same. A lot has changed in six months. Wasn’t there a pay deal offered before CV19 that the CWU didn’t feel was appropriate to give members the vote?

If the business refused to honour a pay deal that had already been agreed that would have been the beginning of the end for every future agreement.

[guardianangel]

What the hell re-ballot, bunch of buffoons the lot of them,the local reps have been treated like dumbo's by the guys up top i reckon there should be a national walk out a vote of no confidence against union headquarters and Royal Mail ,what they going to do sack 120000 workers ,we hold all the cards are we going to deal them or just fold.

[xPandabear1992x]

Terry also said he wouldn't urge a reballot now given COVID and everything, as it would be a public image disaster.

So basically, unless something drastic happens and COVID goes away, that's it.

[k979aaa]

We need a consistent response on the eradication of our terms and conditions not a mealy mouth response on Facebook this is not a media campaign for a seat in the house of commons but a fight for our terms conditions. The right not to be bullied at work not to be subjected to endless lapsing/absorbsion and how we deal with the future of us all!

[Sugar]

Terry also said he wouldn't urge a reballot now given COVID and everything, as it would be a public image disaster.

And Terry and Co have also said that during Christmas pressure periods when the workers had rm's backs up against a wall with their pants around their ankles and rm still came up smelling of roses and the workers got shafted with deals of the century bollock$.

Tub thumping to the members and acting all Jeremy "I'll sit on a fence" Corbyn style when up against the company. They need to grow a pair and properly decide if they are a union or a bloody political party in the waiting with a social media public face image to uphold.

A hell of a lot of jobs at risk if they mess it up this time with another deal of the century.

[SpacePhoenix]

My gut feeling is that the government would get any strike blocked anyway whilst covid is around

[guardianangel]

Time to demand no confidence and have an election on all their posts and get them out ,Dave ,Terry and the hangers on all need to do the right thing and resign,if they carry on much longer i urge everyone to stop their membership ,as i see it you are getting no value for your money.

[Woody Guthrie]

Time to demand no confidence and have an election on all their posts and get them out l.... .

It's really not.
Much as I agree that the present dispute which to be honest has rumbled on for three years right through the last agreement has been woefully mishandled it is unfortunately not the time to start again from scratch.

What our members need right now is as much guaranteed job security as possible, that might mean some of the egos in the room have to be parked or even removed but the union has to stop looking for a "win" just to look good.

This is by far the weakest we've ever been in a negotiation period and the union had better start managing expectations with that in mind rather than talking round in circles on Facebook.

If we get out of this with a no score draw it will be a point gained
rather than two points dropped.

[Grumpyoldmailman]

I don’t agree when Terry says it’s not the right time to have another ballot. This can’t go on for much longer before we take action. Stick this years pay rise which there is no sign of on the ballot paper while your at it.

[clashcityrocker]

Has the CWU quietly expired?

[Schiff]

What our members need right now is as much guaranteed job security as possible, that might mean some of the egos in the room have to be parked or even removed but the union has to stop looking for a "win" just to look good.

This is by far the weakest we've ever been in a negotiation period and the union had better start managing expectations with that in mind rather than talking round in circles on Facebook.

I get the impression that our union leadership somehow genuinely believed that the Socialist Revolutionary Party would actually win the last election. They would then nationalise Royal Mail within a couple of days, grant all employees an immediate 10% pay rise, reintroduce the old pension scheme along with outdated working practices and they (the very highly paid union leaders) could claim all of the credit.

When that cunning plan surprisingly failed to produce results they didn't have a clue what to do next - and still don't.

Time to step into the real world, fight for jobs for those who want them (although those jobs will involve different ways of working), a decent exit package for those who don't want to stay with RM and collaborate with RM in introducing the changes needed to make RM competetive so that they will continue to employ members in 10 years time.

Stop playing politics and get on with representing the membership.

[Leftwing11]

The periods of silence really are deafening now !!

[derricksmyth]

The periods of silence really are deafening now !!

Could be a lot of sick post staff voting in the next ballot!!