Royal Mail hints it may seek to end Saturday letter deliveries.

[Woody Guthrie]

It can't be D2D because that isn't part of the regulatory framework.
Stopping D2D would be a commercial decision, there are plenty others out there who already deliver it.

It has to be something RM are obliged to do under the USO.

It could simply mean the 6 day letters delivery.

[panzer4]

So what don't our customers value highly?

d2d

D2d not valued highly so wave goodbye to the delivery supplement

What has the delivery supplement got to do with D2D

We used to get paid per d2d item max of 3 a week and 1.67p min payment single sheet used to deliver a paper advertiser I think I remember that was about 5 or 6 pence each delivery supplement replaced that so had to deliver more d2d for less money

[P13]

So what don't our customers value highly?

d2d

D2d not valued highly so wave goodbye to the delivery supplement

What has the delivery supplement got to do with D2D

We used to get paid per d2d item max of 3 a week and 1.67p min payment single sheet used to deliver a paper advertiser I think I remember that was about 5 or 6 pence each delivery supplement replaced that so had to deliver more d2d for less money

Delivery supplement is nothing to do with D2D

[panzer4]

So what don't our customers value highly?

d2d

D2d not valued highly so wave goodbye to the delivery supplement

What has the delivery supplement got to do with D2D

We used to get paid per d2d item max of 3 a week and 1.67p min payment single sheet used to deliver a paper advertiser I think I remember that was about 5 or 6 pence each delivery supplement replaced that so had to deliver more d2d for less money

Delivery supplement is nothing to do with D2D

Which part of delivery supplement replaced d2d payment don’t you get check out the union and RM agreement relating to it

[Woody Guthrie]

It didn't replace the D2D payment.
It was just (partly) funded by the D2D payment.

It's like if you cancel Netflix and buy a couple of pints with the money, the pints haven't replaced Netflix, you've just used the money for something else.

[Celgar]

You guys have it mostly the wrong way around.
1) A small amount of good news in the announcement for a change. Firstly they want to drop Saturdays and are not interested in the every other day delivery option. This will save thousands of jobs although dependent on how much 'natural wastage' occurs there could still be job losses or relocations. Secondly they also finally acknowledged the situation is not as bad as they have been suggesting for so long. Given we will continue to be very busy at least in terms of packets & parcels the new losses prediction will likely be less than 150 million & we could break even.
2) In the eyes of RM the 'customer' is ALWAYS the sender which means percentage wise the 'customer' will usually be corporations, companies, and service providers. The majority of people us posties serve are the general public who are known by RM as the 'recipient' because they mostly receive the mail.
3) D2Ds contracts come from 'customer' and usually not the 'recipient'. Once or if the Covid is brought under control or can be managed numbers of D2D contracts will likely return to their former quantities. D2Ds are, we are led to believe, a successful way to get more business so the 'customer' does not want them to stop or end. If Brexit does not result in GDPR ending then D2D will become an even more important method of getting more business.
4) RM have famously recently returned to the mantra that we only make profit when letters are delivered with the packets & parcels. Yet another reason to keep delivering the D2Ds. Of course we do have the other plan where large parcels & tracked are diverted through the three superhubs to be delivered separately via the LAT hubs.
5) If D2Ds were dropped, which won't happen, but IF it ever did happen this would settle the long standing argument on RMC about whether or not twenty quid from the supplement forms payment for delivering the D2Ds.

[SpacePhoenix]

1) A small amount of good news in the announcement for a change. Firstly they want to drop Saturdays and are not interested in the every other day delivery option. This will save thousands of jobs although dependent on how much 'natural wastage' occurs there could still be job losses or relocations. Secondly they also finally acknowledged the situation is not as bad as they have been suggesting for so long. Given we will continue to be very busy at least in terms of packets & parcels the new losses prediction will likely be less than 150 million & we could break even.

It'll also affect anyone who has a mech duty at a MC or MPU (that is if RM don't close all the MPUs) as they might well end up moving to Sun-Thurs duties

2) In the eyes of RM the 'customer' is ALWAYS the sender which means percentage wise the 'customer' will usually be corporations, companies, and service providers. The majority of people us posties serve are the general public who are known by RM as the 'recipient' because they mostly receive the mail.

The "customer" always has been the sender. They're the ones who pay the postage.

3) D2Ds contracts come from 'customer' and usually not the 'recipient'. Once or if the Covid is brought under control or can be managed numbers of D2D contracts will likely return to their former quantities. D2Ds are, we are led to believe, a successful way to get more business so the 'customer' does not want them to stop or end. If Brexit does not result in GDPR ending then D2D will become an even more important method of getting more business.

D2Ds might well go way above pre-covid levels as business will be wanting to advertise to try and regain some of the business they had before covid

4) RM have famously recently returned to the mantra that we only make profit when letters are delivered with the packets & parcels. Yet another reason to keep delivering the D2Ds. Of course we do have the other plan where large parcels & tracked are diverted through the three superhubs to be delivered separately via the LAT hubs.

I can't see the LAT hubs being able to cope with doing absolutely all Tracked. More likely it'll just be any Tracked bigger than a shoe box though they'll need to be able to handle any size item as the segging of large and small Tracked on outward dispatches is s**t, no matter what MC they originate from (large mixed in with small both on normal yorks and in sleeves and non-Tracked mixed in with Tracked).

In the event that RM do move all Tracked over to the LAT hubs, each LAT hub will need to be able to handle 7.5-8k+ of Tracked each (it'll be much more than that for some areas)

[1560loopsayear]

How soon could they axe Saturday delivery of letters?.

How long was it when they implemented it for the covid contingency?...was it a week from getting that PowerPoint presentation to going live with parcels delivery only on Saturday. Maybe something permanent to our contract of attendance would require more notice.

[2yearpostie]

Maybe they will do a rota of saturday and sunday work?

[Celgar]

Maybe they will do a rota of saturday and sunday work?

Most current posties are unlikely to want to work on Sundays and they don't really like working on Saturdays as it is. I predict RM will get a separate lot of staff to work at the weekends if they get the go-ahead for this plan.

[2yearpostie]

Maybe they will do a rota of saturday and sunday work?

Most current posties are unlikely to want to work on Sundays and they don't really like working on Saturdays as it is. I predict RM will get a separate lot of staff to work at the weekends if they get the go-ahead for this plan.

Remember the 'can and want to work for royal mail' line?

[Rumple]

Maybe they will do a rota of saturday and sunday work?

Most current posties are unlikely to want to work on Sundays and they don't really like working on Saturdays as it is. I predict RM will get a separate lot of staff to work at the weekends if they get the go-ahead for this plan.

Remember the 'can and want to work for royal mail' line?

It will be interesting how seniority plays out in this scenario.
Also remember we have a start and finish time. Do you know yours?

[2yearpostie]

Maybe they will do a rota of saturday and sunday work?

Most current posties are unlikely to want to work on Sundays and they don't really like working on Saturdays as it is. I predict RM will get a separate lot of staff to work at the weekends if they get the go-ahead for this plan.

Remember the 'can and want to work for royal mail' line?

It will be interesting how seniority plays out in this scenario.
Also remember we have a start and finish time. Do you know yours?

Started another thread on that subject, ive not got one as im a reserve i just relay on the dom managing me!

[tractorboy2]

Wouldn't the weekend parcel deliveries predominantly be those from the parcel hubs via LAT offices ?

[SpacePhoenix]

Wouldn't the weekend parcel deliveries predominantly be those from the parcel hubs via LAT offices ?

I believe he DOs will still do all the Tracked that's smaller than a shoe box. There's no way that the LAT offices would be able to handle doing all the Tracked