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tractorboy2 wrote:I have been contemplating retiring at 60 which is around 16 months away, so let me see if I can clarify what I mean regarding the lump sum.
If you take the lump sum and your only plan is to use this to bridge the gap to State Pension , you would divide the lump sum by 84 (7 years * 12 months) to give yourself a monthly amount to play with.
But the difference between the full pension and reduced pension when multiplied by 84 is almost going to equal the amount you got as a lump sum. Which after the 7 years (taking it all as pension) you would still be getting that difference , whereas the lump sum would be gone. Under the scenario I have illustrated ( clearly hopefully) is there any benefit in taking the lump sum ?

ps Thanks RobertT
It really depends what your objectives are!

In pure money terms, for section C members taking no lump sum and a larger pension will, on average, be better off over the long term due to the fact it's index linked and paid for life. Whereas the lump sum would be gone in 7 years.

But utilising the lump sum from 60 to 67 would increase your income for that time and could therefore enable you to retire at 60, whereas just having the larger pension might not.

It's just a case of weighing up the pros and cons and going with what's right for you. Some people might be willing to take the smaller pension in return for retiring up to 7 years earlier than they would have done otherwise. Others might not.

*Stephen makes a good point in his post above, about section B members commuting their lump sum to pension, as it doesn't offer particularly good value. But as you're in section C, it doesn't apply directly to you!

The commutation rates for section C members wanting to give up some pension for a lump sum, are better than for section B members wanting to do the opposite.
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Tractorboy

But the difference between the full pension and reduced pension when multiplied by 84 is almost going to equal the amount you got as a lump sum. Which after the 7 years (taking it all as pension) you would still be getting that difference , whereas the lump sum would be gone. Under the scenario I have illustrated ( clearly hopefully) is there any benefit in taking the lump sum ?


This is not correct you normally get around 20 x the pension you are giving up as a lump sum. So giving up a £1000 gives lump sump of 20k but if you took as pension would only give you £7k

As like the previous post a lot of people are taking the lump sum so as to give them more income during the years 60. - 67, when state pension will kick in. I can see the benefits of this as it will give you more cash when younger and perhaps allow you to do more things when you are in good health.

No one size fits all on this.
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Thanks to all of you for your responses above. Plenty for me to contemplate between now and November '21.
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NorthernBoy wrote:Tractorboy

But the difference between the full pension and reduced pension when multiplied by 84 is almost going to equal the amount you got as a lump sum. Which after the 7 years (taking it all as pension) you would still be getting that difference , whereas the lump sum would be gone. Under the scenario I have illustrated ( clearly hopefully) is there any benefit in taking the lump sum ?


This is not correct you normally get around 20 x the pension you are giving up as a lump sum. So giving up a £1000 gives lump sump of 20k but if you took as pension would only give you £7k

As like the previous post a lot of people are taking the lump sum so as to give them more income during the years 60. - 67, when state pension will kick in. I can see the benefits of this as it will give you more cash when younger and perhaps allow you to do more things when you are in good health.

No one size fits all on this.
You are correct Northern Boy , I can't remember how I did the calculation to come to the conclusion I did.
I think it would be around 19 years to recoup the lump sum amount via monthly pension , kind of makes the lump sum a no brainer.
Also I am not one for spending money just because I have it. Though my current vehicle is nearly 10 years old , and I may need a new one at some point.
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tractorboy2 wrote:You are correct Northern Boy , I can't remember how I did the calculation to come to the conclusion I did.
I think it would be around 19 years to recoup the lump sum amount via monthly pension , kind of makes the lump sum a no brainer.
Also I am not one for spending money just because I have it. Though my current vehicle is nearly 10 years old , and I may need a new one at some point.
In practice most section C members do take the maximum tax free lump sum, although to work out the overall finances properly you need to factor inflationary increases onto your expected pension amount. That will make the pay back time shorter.
The trouble with that calculation is that nobody really knows what the rate of inflation is going to be very far into the future. :hmmmm

Many also pay AVC's, which potentially enables them to take the full pension and the maximum lump sum, and actually increases the size of that lump sum! :cuppa

The use of the tax free cash to fund the years up to state pension age also raises a question mark over those people who take their pensions early. I appreciate some use the lump sum to do sensible things like pay their mortgage off, but a lot just blow it.
Either way, if you haven't got that lump sum money to tide you over, then many 'early takers' will have no choice but to work longer.
Obviously personal circumstances, etc will also come into it! :thumbup
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