5PM tonight : JOINT STATEMENT BETWEEN ROYAL MAIL GROUP AND THE COMMUNICATION WORKERS UNION

[Acca Dacca]

Everything is pointing to an absolute shafting imo

[teesdale]

second hour off the working week has disappeered then ( third in total ).

[dav1524]

second hour off the working week has disappeered then ( third in total ).

Yes when do we get the 2nd hour then .

[SpacePhoenix]

second hour off the working week has disappeered then ( third in total ).

Yes when do we get the 2nd hour then .

You've probably got more chance of winning £100m on the Euromillions than of us ever getting the 2nd hour

[rogersh]

second hour off the working week has disappeered then ( third in total ).

Yes when do we get the 2nd hour then .

You've probably got more chance of winning £100m on the Euromillions than of us ever getting the 2nd hour

However the company has now agreed the following up front

2. That the Four Pillars values and intent is still in play. This commits the company to the principle of the 35 hour gross working week without loss to pay or meal relief.

[Deadly]

Are the three parcel hubs still going ahead as this was one of the main things the CWU was against?

[wallan]

Are the three parcel hubs still going ahead as this was one of the main things the CWU was against?

Without them you cannot accept items into the system at Mdt (ish) for next day delivery

[Woody Guthrie]

second hour off the working week has disappeered then ( third in total ).

Yes when do we get the 2nd hour then .

You've probably got more chance of winning £100m on the Euromillions than of us ever getting the 2nd hour

However the company has now agreed the following up front

2. That the Four Pillars values and intent is still in play. This commits the company to the principle of the 35 hour gross working week without loss to pay or meal relief.

We can all read on here Roger.
Royal Mail have always contended that they have followed the principles of the Four Pillars agreement and that the reason the second hour has not materialised is that the union has blocked efficiency and productivity improvements that were supposed to pay for it.

So given that context what does this "statement of intent" actually mean?

We're more a discussion forum on here rather than just a copy and paste of the CWU Facebook page, unlike there all opinions are welcome.

[wallan]

I hear lots of rhetoric about letters being down but thats been happening since at least 2007. I am not hearing any solutions!!

How about giving customers like Marks and spencers/adiddas/ new look ect the ability to mail shot all customers within the last 2 years with advertising mail such as catalogues or deals. And instead of charging the full price, just charge them 33-50% of the normal cost? Would this not be a good way of winning back contracts from Hermes/DPD if they know that they can advertise cheaply through Royal Mail as part of the parcel contract??

Or am I just being silly? I feel like there are lots of solutions to the mail volumes problem!

Not a bad shout, could even offer large company’s who moved their parcels business back to us a free d2d run say every 6 months. There are plenty of things that are rivals couldn’t offer.

We can't even cope with the workload we have now. We are busy as fxxk and still losing a million squid a day. What makes you think taking on more work for less money than it costs us ,as a loss leader, would make things better? The simple facts are, the margins are so tight on the pkts and thats what takes us the longest time to process , transport, sort and deliver, that on the surface it looks like we're doing well, but we make f all profit. The letters are dropping, we know how to do these and fast now CSS mech mail is the norm, but it's too late really. To save the business I reckon we need to go to delivering letters only 3 times a week and have dedicated parcel delivery again. Yes, this will mean 5 day week for most and no day off covers which is a lot of job losses, but without it , the company is screwd and we'll all lose our jobs. 30k redundancies with 52wk pay offs should be what the CWU should be negotiating. I would say 30k posties would be happy with that and the other 100k would have a job and a chance..

You have to look at one class of Letter ( Standard Class ) next day delivery with in the Collecting Mail Center Postcode Area , day after in the rest of the UK

[rogersh]

second hour off the working week has disappeered then ( third in total ).

Yes when do we get the 2nd hour then .

You've probably got more chance of winning £100m on the Euromillions than of us ever getting the 2nd hour

However the company has now agreed the following up front

2. That the Four Pillars values and intent is still in play. This commits the company to the principle of the 35 hour gross working week without loss to pay or meal relief.

We can all read on here Roger.

My reply gave the latest update in response to the 2nd hour. I have re-posted for you to read again as perhaps you mis-understood the relevance of my post

However the company has now agreed the following up front

2. That the Four Pillars values and intent is still in play. This commits the company to the principle of the 35 hour gross working week without loss to pay or meal relief.

[Woody Guthrie]

My reply gave the latest update in response to the 2nd hour. I have re-posted for you to read again as perhaps you mis-understood the relevance of my post

The reply you gave was already contained in the first and third posts on this thread.

Nothing in it answers the question which was asked which in case you misunderstood it was when or even if we'll ever get the second hour.

Relevance?

[SpacePhoenix]

I hear lots of rhetoric about letters being down but thats been happening since at least 2007. I am not hearing any solutions!!

How about giving customers like Marks and spencers/adiddas/ new look ect the ability to mail shot all customers within the last 2 years with advertising mail such as catalogues or deals. And instead of charging the full price, just charge them 33-50% of the normal cost? Would this not be a good way of winning back contracts from Hermes/DPD if they know that they can advertise cheaply through Royal Mail as part of the parcel contract??

Or am I just being silly? I feel like there are lots of solutions to the mail volumes problem!

Not a bad shout, could even offer large company’s who moved their parcels business back to us a free d2d run say every 6 months. There are plenty of things that are rivals couldn’t offer.

We can't even cope with the workload we have now. We are busy as fxxk and still losing a million squid a day. What makes you think taking on more work for less money than it costs us ,as a loss leader, would make things better? The simple facts are, the margins are so tight on the pkts and thats what takes us the longest time to process , transport, sort and deliver, that on the surface it looks like we're doing well, but we make f all profit. The letters are dropping, we know how to do these and fast now CSS mech mail is the norm, but it's too late really. To save the business I reckon we need to go to delivering letters only 3 times a week and have dedicated parcel delivery again. Yes, this will mean 5 day week for most and no day off covers which is a lot of job losses, but without it , the company is screwd and we'll all lose our jobs. 30k redundancies with 52wk pay offs should be what the CWU should be negotiating. I would say 30k posties would be happy with that and the other 100k would have a job and a chance..

You have to look at one class of Letter ( Standard Class ) next day delivery with in the Collecting Mail Center Postcode Area , day after in the rest of the UK

I'm sure we used to process intra-mail (posted and going to the area covered by the MC) flats and letters separately as well as packets (which definitely were sorted separately). Anyone who's been with RM long enough might remember the pink york header labels and pink bag labels

[wallan]

I hear lots of rhetoric about letters being down but thats been happening since at least 2007. I am not hearing any solutions!!

How about giving customers like Marks and spencers/adiddas/ new look ect the ability to mail shot all customers within the last 2 years with advertising mail such as catalogues or deals. And instead of charging the full price, just charge them 33-50% of the normal cost? Would this not be a good way of winning back contracts from Hermes/DPD if they know that they can advertise cheaply through Royal Mail as part of the parcel contract??

Or am I just being silly? I feel like there are lots of solutions to the mail volumes problem!

Not a bad shout, could even offer large company’s who moved their parcels business back to us a free d2d run say every 6 months. There are plenty of things that are rivals couldn’t offer.

We can't even cope with the workload we have now. We are busy as fxxk and still losing a million squid a day. What makes you think taking on more work for less money than it costs us ,as a loss leader, would make things better? The simple facts are, the margins are so tight on the pkts and thats what takes us the longest time to process , transport, sort and deliver, that on the surface it looks like we're doing well, but we make f all profit. The letters are dropping, we know how to do these and fast now CSS mech mail is the norm, but it's too late really. To save the business I reckon we need to go to delivering letters only 3 times a week and have dedicated parcel delivery again. Yes, this will mean 5 day week for most and no day off covers which is a lot of job losses, but without it , the company is screwd and we'll all lose our jobs. 30k redundancies with 52wk pay offs should be what the CWU should be negotiating. I would say 30k posties would be happy with that and the other 100k would have a job and a chance..

You have to look at one class of Letter ( Standard Class ) next day delivery with in the Collecting Mail Center Postcode Area , day after in the rest of the UK

I'm sure we used to process intra-mail (posted and going to the area covered by the MC) flats and letters separately as well as packets (which definitely were sorted separately). Anyone who's been with RM long enough might remember the pink york header labels and pink bag labels

And Neighbouring in by Mdt

[rogersh]

My reply gave the latest update in response to the 2nd hour. I have re-posted for you to read again as perhaps you mis-understood the relevance of my post

The reply you gave was already contained in the first and third posts on this thread.

Incorrect. The point 2. was taken from this topic by Martin Walsh
"Joint statement now let's get into the real negotiations"

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 69&t=96624" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Woody Guthrie]

My reply gave the latest update in response to the 2nd hour. I have re-posted for you to read again as perhaps you mis-understood the relevance of my post

The reply you gave was already contained in the first and third posts on this thread.

Incorrect. The point 2. was taken from this topic by Martin Walsh
"Joint statement now let's get into the real negotiations"

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 69&t=96624" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Point is and still is...

Nothing in it answers the question which was asked which in case you misunderstood it was when or even if we'll ever get the second hour.