UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 10 May 2020, 12:44

merson01 wrote:
It is really hard to keep up with such a high intellectual level. Trotsky was murdered with an ice pick to the head by a Stalinist agent, how is this heroic. Postal workers are facing life and death issues and you respond with this kind of cynical crap.

Perhaps you should learn how to use the quote function. It would make reading your posts so much easier.

Maybe you could tell us what goes on in the rank and file committee that you are a member of. Please.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 10 May 2020, 12:47

Postal workers are facing life and death issues and you respond with this kind of cynical crap.

Don't try to climb up on the moral high ground now merson, that's just embarrassing.

You and/or the SEP and/or WSWS are the one/s using the pandemic to promote a political ideal. You are taking the piss out of people dying, I'm just taking the piss out of your insincere sincerity and pseudointellectual waffle.

merson01 · Post by **merson01** » 10 May 2020, 12:51

The SEP make no bones about developing a strategy for postal workers to fight both Royal Mail and the CWU during the Pandemic crisis, what do you stand for, you seem very reticent to say what you are doing. What is your perspective.

merson01 · Post by **merson01** » 10 May 2020, 12:53

A rank and file committee will do what is exactly on the tin prosecute a struggle against Royal Mail and the CWU

Tman · Post by **Tman** » 10 May 2020, 16:55

merson01 wrote:A rank and file committee will do what is exactly on the tin prosecute a struggle against Royal Mail and the CWU

"Would do" rather than "will do", but I'm pretty sure RM and the CWU will prevail over that titanic battle to come.
I take it this is a wind-up; is anyone that much of a Wolfie?

merson01 · Post by **merson01** » 10 May 2020, 17:18

It is not my fault you cannot see beyond the end of your nose. The battle looming will move postal workers into a direct struggle against both Royal Mail and the CWU. By the way, they said the same about the Bolsheviks and we all know how that turned out, they took power

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 10 May 2020, 17:21

merson01 wrote:It is not my fault you cannot see beyond the end of your nose.

Maybe it is.
Your total inability to engage with or educate anyone on this forum is staggering.
Form rank and file committees Form rank and file committees Form rank and file committees.
I have known daleks with a wider vocabulary and infinitely more charisma.

merson01 · Post by **merson01** » 10 May 2020, 17:25

Well here is a bit education, your mantra appears to defend the CWU bureaucracy defend the CWU bureaucracy at all cost, what have you against a rank and file committee.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 10 May 2020, 18:31

Actually if you did a little bit of historical research you would see that isn't my mantra at all.
What exactly would a rank and file committee do - apart from whack off on the sidelines of the real task- a bit like you do on here.

merson01 · Post by **merson01** » 10 May 2020, 18:35

well you know my position, a rank and file committee would launch a political struggle against the CWU bureaucracy, stop it betraying this struggle, it would implement the nationalisation of Royal Mail without compensation, it would link the struggle of postal workers to other workers around the world who face a common enemy. now I say again what is your perspective

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 10 May 2020, 18:45

But all that would take time - even if it were ever achievable.
We are facing a life and death situation now. So what is your rank and file committee actually doing? Now.
Are you actually part of a rank and file committee in a Royal Mail setting?

Implement nationalisation without compensation - to themselves?

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 10 May 2020, 18:55

The battle looming....

Marx published volume 1 in 1867.
That's a lot of looming....

guardianangel · Post by **guardianangel** » 10 May 2020, 21:47

WHERES OUR PAYRISE !!!! being going on for far too long, CWU top brass pull your fingers out we have given you the mandate now get on with it,forget the virus we pay your wages not the tory party.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 11 May 2020, 17:04

merson01 wrote:well you know my position, a rank and file committee would launch a political struggle against the CWU bureaucracy, stop it betraying this struggle, it would implement the nationalisation of Royal Mail without compensation, it would link the struggle of postal workers to other workers around the world who face a common enemy. now I say again what is your perspective

Some years ago we actually did this. We formed a separate "collective" as we were unhappy with the behaviour of our rep.
We formulated a response to Royal Mail and over half the office signed it.
The manager just binned it and said he could only talk to the union representative,
So we removed the rep (it took several months) but that just left one of us representing the union we had been against.
And worse than that, we were now beholden to the union structure.

So your rank and file committees have no clout. Like them or loathe them, the CWU is the only organisation with any presence in the workplace. And it is often a good and worthwhile presence.
Rather than form rank and file committees I think you would be better off advocating a form of entryism whereby you get elected as a union representative and then prosecute your armed struggle. Oops I meant political struggle.

merson01 · Post by **merson01** » 11 May 2020, 17:10

Not only do you act like a trade unionist you think like one. You have no conception of any other thinking other than trade union consciousness which in the end is bourgeois consciousness. A rank and file committee would have to have a socialist strategy and know-how to fight for one. All you did was set up a parallel bureaucracy no wonder it failed