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RobertT
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rks wrote:Hello Robert,
I wanted to get confirmation from rmpp about the tax relief when paying into Avc, you think I need to ask again as I got the following answers which don't seem correct?
There has been no mention of any AVC stopping with the new CDC scheme.
There has been some debate on these forums that payments into AVC's will stop once the CDC scheme is introduced, but as far as I know there's been no official comment by RM pensions.

Personally I think they will stop for the reasons I gave in this thread.

Ultimately time will tell what happens!
We do not offer a drawdown but you can take the AVC with the pension if you wish.
It is not possible to use drawdown directly from your AVC account, the only way would be to transfer out the monies to a personal pension separately from taking your main NRA60/NRRA65 benefits. See the AVC guide for more info.
The AVC payment that is taken out of your wage is done before tax so if you decide to put in £1500 that is the amount that will go into the AVC.
When paying AVC's through payroll, RM employees receive tax relief at source. In practical terms that means the gross payment is shown on your payslip, but your income tax bill gets reduced accordingly.
So as a higher rate taxpayer if you're paying £1,500 per month, your income tax bill should reduce by £600 and your take home pay by £900. The government are paying that £600 into your AVC.
That's certainly the case with a basic rate taxpayer, although the rates are obviously only 20% – I assume it's the same process for higher rate.

You may also benefit from PSE depending on your basic wage in relation to the national minimum wage, which would be saving on NIC's.
The AVC is tied to the RMPP but you can take the AVC with you 60 or 65 pension.
You have to be an active employee member of the RMPP to pay AVC's into Bonusplan(section C & F) and/or Flexiplan(section A, B C or F).

The normal use of AVC's is to fund your tax free lump sum with your NRA60 and/or NRA65, but as already stated up thread there are other options, particularly if you have a large AVC pot or will fund your tax free cash with either the standard lump sum(section A/B) and/or the DBCBS. The AVC guide will tell you more.
So How do you read that Robert about tax relief?
I guess only way to see or check perhaps of how much tax relief is being applied when paying into avc is by calculations on wage slip?
All sounds right to me!
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Yes it does thanks Robert, if I'm able to transfer out monies in avc after I take nra65 then all is good.
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rks wrote:Hello sorry , currently expecting to pick up nra60 pension this October. Will be carrying on working till 2025 and due to pick up nra65 then.
From what I have read paying extra into avc is a good way to reduce one's tax liabilities. That is if I don't then when I pick up my nra60 I will be paying at least 16k at 40% tax. Will lose child benefit element as 100% over the 50k threshold.
So seems like if I can pay 16k a year through my wages into avc I should benefit from 40% tax relief.
When I retire at aged 65, I will have contributed about 75k into avc pot. At that time I believe I can get 25% tax free LS from Avc. And also 25% LS from Rmpp.
My plan if its workable is to then transfer the remaining 75% of avc money to an annuity provider and draw down the money over 5 years, thus only paying 20% tax even adding rmpp pension I should be on lower tax rate.
I would love to know what job you do to earn 66K per year :shock:
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linntroika wrote:
rks wrote:Hello sorry , currently expecting to pick up nra60 pension this October. Will be carrying on working till 2025 and due to pick up nra65 then.
From what I have read paying extra into avc is a good way to reduce one's tax liabilities. That is if I don't then when I pick up my nra60 I will be paying at least 16k at 40% tax. Will lose child benefit element as 100% over the 50k threshold.
So seems like if I can pay 16k a year through my wages into avc I should benefit from 40% tax relief.
When I retire at aged 65, I will have contributed about 75k into avc pot. At that time I believe I can get 25% tax free LS from Avc. And also 25% LS from Rmpp.
My plan if its workable is to then transfer the remaining 75% of avc money to an annuity provider and draw down the money over 5 years, thus only paying 20% tax even adding rmpp pension I should be on lower tax rate.
I would love to know what job you do to earn 66K per year :shock:
Snap. More to the point, why if you are earning that much, would you want to work until 65? :hmmmm
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My extra earnings are from rental income, reason I would like to work to 65 is bec I have a new born in my family. :Very Happy
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rks wrote:My extra earnings are from rental income, reason I would like to work to 65 is bec I have a new born in my family. :Very Happy
Lucky man :Very Happy
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Post by regalia25 »

rks....for your information.
My total income also takes me over the 40 % threshold.
I am certainly no expert but if it helps, this is what I do (with advice from my accountant son)
I pay what I can into my RM DC pension keeping me within PSE limits.
From my other income, whatever I am liable to pay 40% tax on, I pay into a separate private pension. That automatically attracts 20% relief and I claim the additional 20% relief via my tax return.
Come retirement this combination should give me a degree of flexibility so I can avoid paying too much tax.

I hope this helps in some way, but probably best to get professional advice, rather that relying on a RM chat room !!
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regalia25 wrote: but probably best to get professional advice, rather that relying on a RM chat room !!
Goes without saying really, as per the info on the main forum index page:-

Please note the advise given in this forum is unofficial,please use the links we have for a more detailed response or see an independent financial adviser.

Although someone can't spell!
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Sorry Robert that wasnt aimed at anyone other than myself, as I said in my post I am no expert.
Also sorry about the spelling !
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Yes of course best also to take advice from Prof bodies, but this site has also been invaluable as I have only really started to look into my pension /taxes ect over last few months and especially given the numerous s changes we have all had to endure on our pensions.
Have been in touch with accountants ect on taxation forums.
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regalia25 wrote:Sorry Robert that wasnt aimed at anyone other than myself, as I said in my post I am no expert.
Also sorry about the spelling !
No need to apologise to me, I was agreeing with you! :thumbup
It always makes sense to get proper advice especially where the numbers are obviusly quite high, as they are in rks's case :thumbup

And the spelling comment was aimed at the people who run this board – advise instead of advice. Something i see a lot of on the MSE forums too :wave