LTB 127/20 - SICK ABSENCE DUE TO CORONAVIRUS - COVID 19 : Royal Mail "Vast majority of coronavirus absences to be discounted from the normal attendance procedure"

[General Mannerheim]

So basically if you’re on a stage 3 then you’ll still be worried by this purposely grey language and you’d probably still go to work as a result.

No, why would you, it's in the red text. You get it...you go off.

Not sure I’d want to rely on words like “expect” and “vast majority” in a court to get my job back.

C'mon guys they're not sacking people for being off on coronavirus.
Not only would the tribunal come down like a ton of bricks on RM for this, but it's a PR disaster in the making.
I get that RM management isn't always 100% up front and honest but I think they have no choice to honour this stance.

Have you been to many tribunals lately?
Johnny is on a stage 2, Johnny has an appalling sick record ,he's been on the sick many times, his mates call him `sicknote` and the managers all have a sweepstake when he's going to be off next, he then goes off as his `partner` thinks they have it, Johnny then comes back to work and has triggered a RTU, manager from another office looks at his sick record and asks his Dom about him ...bye bye with the lines of it's not that we don't believe the absence was genuine, it's just that he has been unable to attain the relevant standards required and I have no faith that giving him another chance to improve his attendance will benefit the business.
And if you think RM give a crap about PR you've obviously never had to deal with Mr Peacock their expert lawyer who charges 200 quid for a 10 minute phone call to his clients to clarify their names on a court document.

[rockmanrock]

Even if you have recovered from covid-19 it is unclear whether you can be reinfected, or relapse.

Japan and China have both reported multiple cases of people testing positive after recovering.

no they havn't

[FacesOfStone]

So it’s true to say then that if you’re deep into the stage process, and your missus gets a new cough, you don’t, you might be worried about going off as you might need to later.

To be fair if your wife has it and you're self isolating with her you'll get it. That's why they're now saying 14 days.

But what happens if, per the advice, you isolate and it turns out not to be Corona, which you later go on to catch? I think that will be an extremely common issue; other colds and flus aren’t self-isolating to give COVID-19 a clear run.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

So it’s true to say then that if you’re deep into the stage process, and your missus gets a new cough, you don’t, you might be worried about going off as you might need to later.

To be fair if your wife has it and you're self-isolating with her you'll get it. That's why they're now saying 14 days.

But what happens if, per the advice, you isolate and it turns out not to be Corona, which you later go on to catch? I think that will be an extremely common issue; other colds and flus aren’t self-isolating to give COVID-19 a clear run.

Self-isolation and isolation because of the virus are both covered in all the information posted by Postman from the CWU and Royal Mail.

Each case will be different but in the vast majority of cases, you will be covered.

Please everyone I know there is a lot of information to trawl through, but read up on it, its important for you and your loved ones to keep abreast of an ever-changing situation. Plus it will mean Postmans, mine and the very active members on here trying to help won't have wasted our time.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

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[POSTMAN]

Have put up a new guide, hopefully we'll get some answers in the thread...
NHS Stay at home advice : Confusion on perhaps having to self isolate and not having Coronavirus but having to self isolate again because at a later date you then get it.

[FinishOnTime]

At a local level managers have never stuck to the process of the AA, they won’t start now just because there’s a national health crisis.

[LaggyBand]

Members in our area who self isolated due to returning from a holiday are opening their pay slips today to find they haven’t been paid.

Anyone got the citation for this? I have looked, not just being lazy.

Thanks

[POSTMAN]

Members in our area who self isolated due to returning from a holiday are opening their pay slips today to find they haven’t been paid.

Anyone got the citation for this? I have looked, not just being lazy.

Thanks

Reps have to move on it, while you are waiting...
Contact coronavirus.support@royalmail.com they seem to reply very quick, also justsayit@royalmail.com name and shame.

And remember...

"we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low life c***s they have always been."

[LaggyBand]

Members in our area who self isolated due to returning from a holiday are opening their pay slips today to find they haven’t been paid.

Anyone got the citation for this? I have looked, not just being lazy.

Thanks

Reps have to move on it, while you are waiting...
Contact coronavirus.support@royalmail.com they seem to reply very quick, also justsayit@royalmail.com name and shame.

And remember...

"we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low life c***s they have always been."

It’s a great quote. I might start throwing it around.

And DOM backed down. Cheers.

[POSTMAN]

Update 30 March

What do managers need to do if a coronavirus related absence prompts an Attendance Review 1 or 2 or Consideration of Dismissal?

Where an Attendance Review 1 or 2 or Consideration of Dismissal has been prompted due to coronavirus related sick absence, managers should consider if there is a need to meet with the employee, given the advice that in most cases coronavirus absences are discounted from the normal attendance procedure.

If a manager decides they do not need to meet with the employee, they do not have to send the invitation letter. Instead managers should let the employee know and update the case on PSP to state ‘Not issued’.

If a manager decides they do need to meet with the employee, for example the absence was excessive in nature or there were repeat absences, they should invite the employee to the relevant attendance meeting using the available invitation letters and ensuring that when meeting they follow the social distancing guidelines that have been communicated.

Do managers still need to hold welcome back meetings when employees return from coronavirus related sick absence? Managers should continue to hold welcome back meetings, but ensure they follow the current advice on increasing social distancing if they are meeting with the employee.

[LaggyBand]

I’ve been told today that when a coronavirus absence triggers an Attendence review 1 meeting, and the manager subsequently enters “not issued” into PSP (due to it being discounted) the employee’s other non-coronavirus absences that contributed towards that review being triggered are RESET and you go back to ZERO.

Anyone want to tell me I’m wrong?

[POSTMAN]

I’ve been told today that when a coronavirus absence triggers an Attendence review 1 meeting, and the manager subsequently enters “not issued” into PSP (due to it being discounted) the employee’s other non-coronavirus absences that contributed towards that review being triggered are RESET and you go back to ZERO.

Anyone want to tell me I’m wrong?

The latest is this, nothing mentioned here...

What do managers need to do if a coronavirus related absence prompts an Attendance Review 1 or 2 or Consideration of Dismissal?
Where an Attendance Review 1 or 2 or Consideration of Dismissal has been prompted due to coronavirus related sick absence, managers should consider if there is a need to meet with the employee, given the advice that in most cases coronavirus absences are discounted from the normal attendance procedure.

If a manager decides they do not need to meet with the employee, they do not have to send the invitation letter. Instead managers should let the employee know and update the case on PSP to state ‘Not issued’.

If a manager decides they do need to meet with the employee, for example the absence was excessive in nature or there were repeat absences, they should invite the employee to the relevant attendance meeting using the available invitation letters and ensuring that when meeting they follow the social distancing guidelines that have been communicated.

2nd post PDF in the Global Announcement...
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Brain drain : What normally happens when a stage is not issued?

[LaggyBand]

Yeah I saw that guidance, just didn’t realise it wiped out all the other absences that would have been used towards the stage but for the isolation one being discounted.

Imagine if everyone knew that...

[Zicomurphy]

I’ve been told today that when a coronavirus absence triggers an Attendence review 1 meeting, and the manager subsequently enters “not issued” into PSP (due to it being discounted) the employee’s other non-coronavirus absences that contributed towards that review being triggered are RESET and you go back to ZERO.

Anyone want to tell me I’m wrong?

The latest is this, nothing mentioned here...

What do managers need to do if a coronavirus related absence prompts an Attendance Review 1 or 2 or Consideration of Dismissal?
Where an Attendance Review 1 or 2 or Consideration of Dismissal has been prompted due to coronavirus related sick absence, managers should consider if there is a need to meet with the employee, given the advice that in most cases coronavirus absences are discounted from the normal attendance procedure.

If a manager decides they do not need to meet with the employee, they do not have to send the invitation letter. Instead managers should let the employee know and update the case on PSP to state ‘Not issued’.

If a manager decides they do need to meet with the employee, for example the absence was excessive in nature or there were repeat absences, they should invite the employee to the relevant attendance meeting using the available invitation letters and ensuring that when meeting they follow the social distancing guidelines that have been communicated.

2nd post PDF in the Global Announcement...
https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 71&t=94715" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brain drain : What normally happens when a stage is not issued?

I’ve had 2 stage 1’s not issued in the last year and both times the result letter stated that, although not issued, the total amount of days that triggered the AR1 would be added to any further absence I might have going forward so not discounted for me (no absences were Covid 19 related)