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dougfunny892 · Post by **dougfunny892** » 21 Feb 2020, 16:26

They will try to split the vote by scaring full timers about their terms and conditions if we don't accept the new deal. People's natural instincts will be self protection and screw the part timers.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 21 Feb 2020, 17:51

the thing is though, this dispute has nothing to do with their new paydeal.

???????????????? · Post by **????????????????** » 21 Feb 2020, 18:16

The dispute is about union officials being stuck in the dark ages and are wiling to let the company go bust to prove a point

Neverwasadoor · Post by **Neverwasadoor** » 21 Feb 2020, 18:20

Post by ???????????????? » 2 minutes ago

The dispute is about union officials being stuck in the dark ages and are wiling to let the company go bust to prove a point

I see Matteo is back

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 21 Feb 2020, 18:47

???????????????? wrote:The dispute is about union officials being stuck in the dark ages and are wiling to let the company go bust to prove a point

yaaaaaawwwn.

Post by **Nick b** » 23 Feb 2020, 21:21

The CWU is there to pull me out of the s**t when I foul up, it’s there to give me advice on h & s and legal etc. A good union works with a company not try and tell them how to run it (think Britain’s car industry etc) As a previous author wrote, the hotheads in the CWU could end up ruining our future, it’s a private company in a highly competitive market and believe me government be it conservative or labour couldn’t give a monkeys as long as somebody delivers and they will if we don’t so it’s goodbye pension, allowances, job. At the end of the day if you think the job stinks find another one and let the rest of us keep rm going.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 23 Feb 2020, 22:58

It is obvious at the moment that RM (Rico Black) is doing all that it can to make the letters part of our business uneconomic so they have the ammunition later this year to go to the regulator and ask to remove RM from letter delivery. The letter delivery would then be split off like Parcelforce and sold off or maybe run by the government as there is a need for letter delivery.
Our jobs are not safe despite all the lies spewing out of the Scottish minions mouths. Standing aside and thinking everything will be okay is not an option open to us now.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 24 Feb 2020, 17:54

Nick b wrote:The CWU is there to pull me out of the s**t when I foul up, it’s there to give me advice on h & s and legal etc. A good union works with a company not try and tell them how to run it (think Britain’s car industry etc) As a previous author wrote, the hotheads in the CWU could end up ruining our future, it’s a private company in a highly competitive market and believe me government be it conservative or labour couldn’t give a monkeys as long as somebody delivers and they will if we don’t so it’s goodbye pension, allowances, job. At the end of the day if you think the job stinks find another one and let the rest of us keep rm going.

the union are there to help workers and make sure the top brass don't run us and the company into the ground which is exactly what this current regime is doing. you only have a half decent pension BECAUSE of the union. RM were prepared to sell ours down the river. your allowances are only there BECAUSE of the union. (do you seriously think RM pays you £11 odd per hour cos it feels you are worth it?) the company want to take them off you. your job could well go if you DON'T support the union. and what jobs will be left if this management allowed to run this company into the ground WILL stink. they are taking executive action now. if we don't support our union there will be nothing left to fight for. see the bigger picture and get a grip for crying out loud!!

Dorset Plodder · Post by **Dorset Plodder** » 25 Feb 2020, 18:37

Celgar wrote:It is obvious at the moment that RM (Rico Black) is doing all that it can to make the letters part of our business uneconomic so they have the ammunition later this year to go to the regulator and ask to remove RM from letter delivery. The letter delivery would then be split off like Parcelforce and sold off or maybe run by the government as there is a need for letter delivery.
Our jobs are not safe despite all the lies spewing out of the Scottish minions mouths. Standing aside and thinking everything will be okay is not an option open to us now.

We had some Big Wig Manager turn up at our WTLL sesson today.

He said it had nothing to do with the Management being worried about the Strike Ballot, RM were just responding to the request made by Posties, for a manager to come and talk to them.

We mentioned the protection of the USO. He said that OFCOM had approached Royal Mail to discuss making changes to the USO.

We called "Bullshite" ... Why would a Government Authority be worried about weakening the USO? Obviously Royal Mail must be lobbying them .... as they're the ones who are going to benefit?

It actually turned out to be a good session, from a Posties viewpoint, because the Manager didn't really put anyone's mind at ease... just trotted out the same things we've been hearing from RMTV.

guardianangel · Post by **guardianangel** » 25 Feb 2020, 20:14

wacko74 wrote:I can't support the unions blanket opposition to all and any job losses, especially via a reduction in the USO.

Mail volumes are dropping and it's now only a very small percentage of letters that are genuinely 'important' and time sensitive.

There is scope for the business to be 'streamlined' and for jobs to go via a reduction from 6 days to 5 days and I think the union should acknowledge and accept this fact and instead be using it's power to agree to the best possible VR terms for those who are willing to go whist ensuring that those who stay retain their current levels of pay and T&C's

Yes get me good terms and i want to be top of the list for VR i have had a gut full of Royal Mail , it has got to be the worse managed and worse managers i have worked for in my life,if they downgrade the job and with no more cheap immigration i really think they will struggle with keeping employees,think the tide might turn in the next few years for big companies using cheap labour,and who in there right mind would walk for 6 hours in our shitty weather for crap pay and conditions.

Hitcher · Post by **Hitcher** » 25 Feb 2020, 22:15

Dorset Plodder wrote:Why would a Government Authority be worried about weakening the USO? Obviously Royal Mail must be lobbying them .... as they're the ones who are going to benefit?

Rico's probably had words with Boris (ie backhander

) to change it and the voters have given Boris the power to do so without any resistance.

Post by **Sugar** » 26 Feb 2020, 08:45

guardianangel wrote:
wacko74 wrote:I can't support the unions blanket opposition to all and any job losses, especially via a reduction in the USO.

Mail volumes are dropping and it's now only a very small percentage of letters that are genuinely 'important' and time sensitive.

There is scope for the business to be 'streamlined' and for jobs to go via a reduction from 6 days to 5 days and I think the union should acknowledge and accept this fact and instead be using it's power to agree to the best possible VR terms for those who are willing to go whist ensuring that those who stay retain their current levels of pay and T&C's
Yes get me good terms and i want to be top of the list for VR i have had a gut full of Royal Mail , it has got to be the worse managed and worse managers i have worked for in my life,if they downgrade the job and with no more cheap immigration i really think they will struggle with keeping employees,think the tide might turn in the next few years for big companies using cheap labour,and who in there right mind would walk for 6 hours in our shitty weather for crap pay and conditions.

Wholeheartedly agree.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 26 Feb 2020, 09:09

What cheap immigration?
What crap pay?

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 26 Feb 2020, 15:56

crap pay and conditions? they WILL come if the union does not win this fight, believe me. we,ve fought them for years and years to get what we have now. yet some on here believe that if they vote no and let these bastards win, then our current terms and conditions and pay will STILL be the same or IMPROVED!!?

Post by **paulus103** » 27 Feb 2020, 02:30

In my mail centre, they are proposing moving virtually all staff from Monday to Saturday - so full-timers work Tues to Sat
I'm only a part-timer but it means less overtime - as been told very likely no overtime on Sats any more :(

I can see RM needs to modernise but I will support the strike as I see my job under threat - e.g. Hub in Warrington absorbing most/all of our mail and no parcel bigger than a shoebox

I really don't understand why RM makes so little effort to communicate with its staff face to face - I did see the regional manager running one WTL session for a different shift but why leave it so late?
I want RM and the Union to actually have a conversation rather than shout at each other but it does take two to tango