Royal Mail in legal bid to block national Christmas strike : CWU response

[daveyeff]

"It said its application to the court would include "substantial evidence" of violations from at least 72 of its UK sites.

The company said it included the interception of ballot papers before delivery to home addresses and staff being encouraged to open ballot papers on site and to vote in favour of action."

All those social media post's of posties lined up at their DO's with their reps posting en masse. Are RM going to say people were coerced to do so?

How is that different to the have your say forms??

There isnt a 'have your say 1992 ACT'

no but its still opening mail at your workplace. and they get you to fill it in in front of them.

[daveyeff]

Surely Royal Mail's request for the union to postpone industrial action until the new year implies their acceptance of the ballot result as valid.

Even if we are banned from taking industrial action, I personally will be working my contracted hours each day and not a single minute more. That is a personal decision and not something organised by the union. Others are free to reach the same personal decision.

I initially thought the same, but from what i gather now RM's request to postpone IA till 2020 mentioned the eveidence of irregularities in the ballot and that they will honour it if postponed or challenge if not.

I dont think we were told about this last week ?

so effectively the 'integrity of the mail'' wouldn't have mattered to them if we had agreed to postpone the action. but since we refused then they'll use it as a weapon to stop us. hope our lawyers mention this.

[jtshocka]

Work to rule start on time take breaks use proper equipment try and workout an overtime ban let everthing build up at the heaviest tlme of the year

[cobrakai]

"It said its application to the court would include "substantial evidence" of violations from at least 72 of its UK sites.

The company said it included the interception of ballot papers before delivery to home addresses and staff being encouraged to open ballot papers on site and to vote in favour of action."

All those social media post's of posties lined up at their DO's with their reps posting en masse. Are RM going to say people were coerced to do so?

How is that different to the have your say forms??

There isnt a 'have your say 1992 ACT'

no but its still opening mail at your workplace. and they get you to fill it in in front of them.

Is there clips of people doing it on rmtv??

[ddtc]

So should the managers in the offices they have evidence of staff taking their mail and opening at the office be sacked for allowing it to happen? Is there actual proof staff didn't bring the ballot papers from home?

And what difference is it when RM used RMTV, mail sent home, courier, managers telling us to vote no?

Also about breaking agreements? As far as I'm aware agreements have been broken all the time even before the four pillars agreement.

I hope the courts see sense but unfortunately it pisses me off to say but I think RM will win.

[Rumple]

This is just another clear sign of what a horrible, nasty, sneaky company we work for. I hope the CWU haven't blown this again though. RM have form for running rings round our Union.

[worktotime]

So should the managers in the offices they have evidence of staff taking their mail and opening at the office be sacked for allowing it to happen? Is there actual proof staff didn't bring the ballot papers from home?

And what difference is it when RM used RMTV, mail sent home, courier, managers telling us to vote no?

Also about breaking agreements? As far as I'm aware agreements have been broken all the time even before the four pillars agreement.

I hope the courts see sense but unfortunately it pisses me off to say but I think RM will win.

to true , but if they don't have any evidence of posties actually filling these ballot papers at work , how do r/m know if these posties havent done these at home and organised this for the following day for posting etc ? its desperation from a company that have lost there staff , what will they do next 90% filled it in with black ink , and the other 7.1% used BLUE ink , right where taking you back to court . sad really .

[leolion855]

This is just another clear sign of what a horrible, nasty, sneaky company we work for. I hope the CWU haven't blown this again though. RM have form for running rings round our Union.

Whos going to stop there union payments if we lose the court battle?

[pinstripe]

So should the managers in the offices they have evidence of staff taking their mail and opening at the office be sacked for allowing it to happen?

Exactly the point I was going to make. If RM make a case against the staff, surely then, all the management in those offices and their superiors, should also be sacked. The staff may not have known this was against the rules, management should have and they have quite simply, failed to supervise their staff and allowed this to happen.

[RTP]

1. Did the ballot papers reach the correct recipients.

2. Did the signing of ballot papers in some offices by a few members affect the result of a 97%
majority in anyway.

[smok3y666]

Work to rule start on time take breaks use proper equipment try and workout an overtime ban let everthing build up at the heaviest tlme of the year

good luck with that

[Woody Guthrie]

they'll win their injunction on breach of mail integrity.

No they won't.
Mail integrity has nothing to do with the injunction. That's an internal conduct issue.

If they win it will be on the basis that coercing members to open their ballot papers and fill them in on site constitutes a work place ballot and those are unlawful.

It was a stupid move.

[work]

they'll win their injunction on breach of mail integrity.

No they won't.
Mail integrity has nothing to do with the injunction. That's an internal conduct issue.

If they win it will be on the basis that coercing members to open their ballot papers and fill them in on site constitutes a work place ballot and those are unlawful.

It was a stupid move.

...in those (alleged 72) units only, but, what about the majority or will all their votes be void due to the facebookers! most don't bother with facefook/twatter...you vote regardless off propaganda tv/handouts/gatemeetings/banter in canteen social media chatrooms etc. the congratulatory selfie crew are a modern phenomena and the law should reflect that accordingly. A judge should throw out rm desperate case to AGAIN negate CWU efforts and majority of workforce voters totally opposed to their (RM management's) one-way autocratic culture of bullying and ignorance. Just another example of the complete lack of respect for the will of their staff. Fook the season of goodwill...do it yersen' ya smug, rich, ignorant, snidey-baastards! Hope it costs RM their corporate dignity, if they've got any left...total desperate bollox...they must forget who they are dealing with...it's not just the legal process it's the moral stance they persist with. I will be continuing and taking my own personal stance which is simply put best as basic wage for basic job and duty finish...contracted.

[Woody Guthrie]

in alleged 72 units only, but, what about the majority or will all their votes be void due to the facebookers!

I'm not an expert in employment law but... more than likely.
The entire ballot result would be invalid.

[daveyeff]

what about them, sending mail to our homes, RMTV, and the courier telling us to vote no, is that not coercion? is it also not illegal to bring in strikebreakers?