leolion855 wrote:Still cant see the business backing down this time. They may just go down the route of rebranding the company again and forcing new contracts on us, sign if you want a job, bugger off if dont (ala Asda)
Whilst I see your point of view, I would personally say that comparison's with other service industries are not quite valid at this point in time.
Asda workers do not have the power to disrupt the main network of the food chain whereas RM workers and union have a strong advantage in causing massive loss of revenue to the shareholders.
If you want a more pertinent analogy I would say the CWU are closer to the RMT who have negotiated excellent T&C's for their members without losing significant public support.
I believe the CWU are making it quite clear to the public that the public will be the ultimate losers if G...….K (not allowed to swear!) has his German way with our treasured institution.
leolion855 wrote:Still cant see the business backing down this time. They may just go down the route of rebranding the company again and forcing new contracts on us, sign if you want a job, bugger off if dont (ala Asda)
Whilst I see your point of view, I would personally say that comparison's with other service industries are not quite valid at this point in time.
Asda workers do not have the power to disrupt the main network of the food chain whereas RM workers and union have a strong advantage in causing massive loss of revenue to the shareholders.
If you want a more pertinent analogy I would say the CWU are closer to the RMT who have negotiated excellent T&C's for their members without losing significant public support.
I believe the CWU are making it quite clear to the public that the public will be the ultimate losers if G...….K (not allowed to swear!) has his German way with our treasured institution.
Fair enough, but remember the USO is being reviewed next year and if RM cant get the workforce on side whats to stop it being awarded to Uk mail/DPD instead?
leolion855 wrote:
Fair enough, but remember the USO is being reviewed next year and if RM cant get the workforce on side whats to stop it being awarded to Uk mail/DPD instead?
If the biggest delivery network in the UK would prefer not to be shackled with the USO why on earth would UK mail or DPD want it?? TNT tried delivering letters before and we know what happened to that. These companies like to cherry pick and you don't get that with the USO.
Also your comments about Asda are quite valid but the biggest difference is that Royal Mail have a lot more Union members at its disposal. This is our strength at the moment and the disruption a strike creates to our shares,it's not going to be long before they start to question the competency of the CEO in charge and the fact he's simply putting Royal Mail out of business. That's not the game plan here. Disregard everything that Royal Mail are saying about a strike handing over our work to our competitors and start thinking logically - which company has got the infrastructure now to deliver the letters and all these little Chinese packets?? Yodel,Herpes??? Amazon - they only want to deliver within a certain area of the UK. These couriers also only want to be delivering parcels shoebox size.
What's worrying is that there will always be a few strike-breakers helping us on the way to being a gig economy. The ones not in a Union yet will still work during a strike and still reap all the benefits that their colleagues have won them.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
leolion855 wrote:
Fair enough, but remember the USO is being reviewed next year and if RM cant get the workforce on side whats to stop it being awarded to Uk mail/DPD instead?
If the biggest delivery network in the UK would prefer not to be shackled with the USO why on earth would UK mail or DPD want it?? TNT tried delivering letters before and we know what happened to that. These companies like to cherry pick and you don't get that with the USO.
Also your comments about Asda are quite valid but the biggest difference is that Royal Mail have a lot more Union members at its disposal. This is our strength at the moment and the disruption a strike creates to our shares,it's not going to be long before they start to question the competency of the CEO in charge and the fact he's simply putting Royal Mail out of business. That's not the game plan here. Disregard everything that Royal Mail are saying about a strike handing over our work to our competitors and start thinking logically - which company has got the infrastructure now to deliver the letters and all these little Chinese packets?? Yodel,Herpes??? Amazon - they only want to deliver within a certain area of the UK. These couriers also only want to be delivering parcels shoebox size.
What's worrying is that there will always be a few strike-breakers helping us on the way to being a gig economy. The ones not in a Union yet will still work during a strike and still reap all the benefits that their colleagues have won them.
Good post,
I'll add that Amazon can't even deliver to the isle of wight, they just don't have the economies of scale to make it viable to make a profit on it.
Don't be fooled by the claims of "competitors stealing our work"
Trouble is some lads will run round for the managers helping deliver back log and others will stay out till finished to make some money bk, you need to save a bit now and just work to rule throughout dispute, no swapping duites so managers have to fail business deliveries and rurals,
leolion855 wrote:
Fair enough, but remember the USO is being reviewed next year and if RM cant get the workforce on side whats to stop it being awarded to Uk mail/DPD instead?
If the biggest delivery network in the UK would prefer not to be shackled with the USO why on earth would UK mail or DPD want it?? TNT tried delivering letters before and we know what happened to that. These companies like to cherry pick and you don't get that with the USO.
Also your comments about Asda are quite valid but the biggest difference is that Royal Mail have a lot more Union members at its disposal. This is our strength at the moment and the disruption a strike creates to our shares,it's not going to be long before they start to question the competency of the CEO in charge and the fact he's simply putting Royal Mail out of business. That's not the game plan here. Disregard everything that Royal Mail are saying about a strike handing over our work to our competitors and start thinking logically - which company has got the infrastructure now to deliver the letters and all these little Chinese packets?? Yodel,Herpes??? Amazon - they only want to deliver within a certain area of the UK. These couriers also only want to be delivering parcels shoebox size.
What's worrying is that there will always be a few strike-breakers helping us on the way to being a gig economy. The ones not in a Union yet will still work during a strike and still reap all the benefits that their colleagues have won them.
Strike wont happen now its ended up in the courts, told you all RM would win.
leolion855 wrote:
Fair enough, but remember the USO is being reviewed next year and if RM cant get the workforce on side whats to stop it being awarded to Uk mail/DPD instead?
If the biggest delivery network in the UK would prefer not to be shackled with the USO why on earth would UK mail or DPD want it?? TNT tried delivering letters before and we know what happened to that. These companies like to cherry pick and you don't get that with the USO.
Also your comments about Asda are quite valid but the biggest difference is that Royal Mail have a lot more Union members at its disposal. This is our strength at the moment and the disruption a strike creates to our shares,it's not going to be long before they start to question the competency of the CEO in charge and the fact he's simply putting Royal Mail out of business. That's not the game plan here. Disregard everything that Royal Mail are saying about a strike handing over our work to our competitors and start thinking logically - which company has got the infrastructure now to deliver the letters and all these little Chinese packets?? Yodel,Herpes??? Amazon - they only want to deliver within a certain area of the UK. These couriers also only want to be delivering parcels shoebox size.
What's worrying is that there will always be a few strike-breakers helping us on the way to being a gig economy. The ones not in a Union yet will still work during a strike and still reap all the benefits that their colleagues have won them.
Strike wont happen now its ended up in the courts, told you all RM would win.
What have royal mail won.. think you are just delighted you probably wont be the only one working in your office because you had obviously no intention of going on strike.. an that is only if and its a big IF court rule in rm's favour..
leolion855 wrote:Still cant see the business backing down this time. They may just go down the route of rebranding the company again and forcing new contracts on us, sign if you want a job, bugger off if dont (ala Asda)
And the CEO will have a big one up him if he tries this time.
Don't be fooled by the claims of "competitors stealing our work"
The USO does maintain a lot of jobs. But, for whoever the regulator gives it to, it’s kind of like being obligated to maintain a network of phone boxes in an era when almost everyone - even your granny - uses a mobile phone.
It just occurred to me that, in an age where most of what we deliver is not letters, anything that won’t physically go through a standard letterbox is a potential nightmare for our competitors. If we’re on strike and they try to ‘steal’ our customers, can those companies suddenly find storage capacity for the countless items they can’t deliver, when the recipient is not home? I foresee social media posts and complaints about poor service, missing or misdelivered items, by those competitors, rocketing!
wandle wrote:Don't be fooled by the claims of "competitors stealing our work"
The USO does maintain a lot of jobs. But, for whoever the regulator gives it to, it’s kind of like being obligated to maintain a network of phone boxes in an era when almost everyone - even your granny - uses a mobile phone.
It just occurred to me that, in an age where most of what we deliver is not letters, anything that won’t physically go through a standard letterbox is a potential nightmare for our competitors. If we’re on strike and they try to ‘steal’ our customers, can those companies suddenly find storage capacity for the countless items they can’t deliver, when the recipient is not home? I foresee social media posts and complaints about poor service, missing or misdelivered items, by those competitors, rocketing!
I don't think that'll be a big issue for our competitors who hammer into their drivers NOT to bring anything back at all costs. We're getting a lot of complaints as the local Amazon drivers are leaving packets on door steps if they can't get near a blue bin/shed, which end up drenched.
wandle wrote:Don't be fooled by the claims of "competitors stealing our work"
The USO does maintain a lot of jobs. But, for whoever the regulator gives it to, it’s kind of like being obligated to maintain a network of phone boxes in an era when almost everyone - even your granny - uses a mobile phone.
It just occurred to me that, in an age where most of what we deliver is not letters, anything that won’t physically go through a standard letterbox is a potential nightmare for our competitors. If we’re on strike and they try to ‘steal’ our customers, can those companies suddenly find storage capacity for the countless items they can’t deliver, when the recipient is not home? I foresee social media posts and complaints about poor service, missing or misdelivered items, by those competitors, rocketing!
I don't think that'll be a big issue for our competitors who hammer into their drivers NOT to bring anything back at all costs. We're getting a lot of complaints as the local Amazon drivers are leaving packets on door steps if they can't get near a blue bin/shed, which end up drenched.
I’m really curious as to what goes into a blue bin in those far away lands