Royal Mail update.

Post by **rogersh** » 29 Oct 2019, 15:59

"Want to demonstrate that we (RM) are committed to open and genuine discussions" .

External mediation commenced on 17th September and ended on 18th October then a further week to consider the mediators (Professor Roy Lewis for CWU/RMG) report and 2 further weeks as a final opportunity to reach agreement which concludes 8th November.

Was this not, and still is, ample time to have genuine discussions?

I am aware the CEO was not present at the initial mediation meeting of 17th September.

heapsy · Post by **heapsy** » 29 Oct 2019, 16:02

Don't temps have to be vetted in the same way, or do RM just scrap that when it suits?

Post by **Cichlid** » 29 Oct 2019, 16:31

CWU reply.

roadrunner bill · Post by **roadrunner bill** » 29 Oct 2019, 17:26

Cichlid wrote:CWU reply.

There is No agreement to be reached.. its already been done this... the 4 pillars....

Its that royal mail dont want to honour the 4 pillars..

Post by **Murdoch** » 29 Oct 2019, 17:45

roadrunner bill wrote:
Cichlid wrote:CWU reply.

There is No agreement to be reached.. its already been done this... the 4 pillars....

Its that royal mail dont want to honour the 4 pillars..

What part of the 4 pillars won't they honour?

roadrunner bill · Post by **roadrunner bill** » 29 Oct 2019, 18:03

Most of it.. read it..

derricksmyth · Post by **derricksmyth** » 29 Oct 2019, 18:17

Cichlid wrote:Royal Mail have written the CWU asking them to suspend any Industrial Action for the rest of 2019.

https://www.royalmailgroup.com/en/press ... il-update/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They are also starting to panic due to the Election Material that has to be delivered. Not so smart now Rico are you!!!

Post by **Murdoch** » 29 Oct 2019, 18:18

roadrunner bill wrote:Most of it.. read it..

I did read it previously, but that was over a year ago. I'm asking what RM specifically won't honour.

Much of what I read was implemented. The shorter working week was always going to be undeliverable at 35 hours per week, to anybody with half an idea how the job works in reality...

roadrunner bill · Post by **roadrunner bill** » 29 Oct 2019, 18:27

Im not going to write.. the total details of the 4 pillars agreement.. that royal mail wont honour..

Terry pullinger has expressed most of it.. on the cwu facebook page. watch it..
.

Post by **Murdoch** » 29 Oct 2019, 18:40

roadrunner bill wrote:Im not going to write.. the total details of the 4 pillars agreement.. that royal mail wont honour..

Terry pullinger has expressed most of it.. on the cwu facebook page. watch it..
.

I'm not asking you to write out the total details of 4 pillars, I'm asking you what you feel aggrieved about them not honouring. Fairly straightforward question.

I've watched quite a few of Terry's videos, they aren't that helpful for understanding the specifics, his comments have a tendancy towards hyperbole, and are fairly generalised.

That's the main sense I get from this proposed strike, it's not so much about what Royal Mail has done, it's about what people feel is going to happen next. It's hard to reach a position of discussion when the tone is so combative, and there is no trust between the two parties.

roadrunner bill · Post by **roadrunner bill** » 29 Oct 2019, 18:56

In a nutshell.. royal mail has become a cash cow for the wealthy.. its all about money.. profit.. and their own self gain.. and are in a position to exploit this.

They want more money.. for their own gain..

That entails.... Cost cutting and asset stripping... the 4 pillars defends against this..

Royal mail is a national treasure.. a service to the country.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 29 Oct 2019, 19:10

With the potential General Election in December, is there a chance that RM might put in for an injunction to stop us from striking before the New Year?

Post by **Cichlid** » 29 Oct 2019, 19:20

SpacePhoenix wrote:With the potential General Election in December, is there a chance that RM might put in for an injunction to stop us from striking before the New Year?

I hope not, that would be using Brexit tactics and none of us know how that ends.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 29 Oct 2019, 19:53

Cichlid wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:With the potential General Election in December, is there a chance that RM might put in for an injunction to stop us from striking before the New Year?
I hope not, that would be using Brexit tactics and none of us know how that ends.

if the CWU get it right and do everything by the book, then an injunction will be rejected by the court. just hope the CWU get it ''very right''!!

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 29 Oct 2019, 19:58

it HAS to be said for RM though.....they've got the brass neck to try anything.