How can anyone even think of voting no

Yamr1 · Post by **Yamr1** » 04 Sep 2019, 14:05

Rambo1 you need to get back in contact with area rep,
Tell him its still happening and the managers are turning a blind eye to people starting early ,
Tell him you would like for him to put a stage 1 disagreement in for people starting before the contracted hours....
That will solve your problem bud

leolion855 · Post by **leolion855** » 04 Sep 2019, 14:52

Yamr1 wrote:Rambo1 you need to get back in contact with area rep,
Tell him its still happening and the managers are turning a blind eye to people starting early ,
Tell him you would like for him to put a stage 1 disagreement in for people starting before the contracted hours....
That will solve your problem bud

Why should anyone put a disagreement in because someone else either wants to work for free or unbeknown to them the dom has asked someone to come in early and get paid ot for prep?

Marshamp11 · Post by **Marshamp11** » 04 Sep 2019, 15:20

For those thinking of voting no visit Royal Mail Chat NEWS and read the thread titled "Royal Mail parcel chief to take over from Moya" or something like that and read the undercover reporters write up for a German publication in 2012. Is that where we may be heading. In my opinion losing any forthcoming dispute is not an option.

Yamr1 · Post by **Yamr1** » 04 Sep 2019, 16:52

leolion855 wrote:
Yamr1 wrote:Rambo1 you need to get back in contact with area rep,
Tell him its still happening and the managers are turning a blind eye to people starting early ,
Tell him you would like for him to put a stage 1 disagreement in for people starting before the contracted hours....
That will solve your problem bud
Why should anyone put a disagreement in because someone else either wants to work for free or unbeknown to them the dom has asked someone to come in early and get paid ot for prep?

There should be a list up whos doing overtime on that day on the workplan.
No one in this day and age should be working for free,
There will be a local agreement with area rep and sector manager that no one should start before contracted hours.

yellowbelly · Post by **yellowbelly** » 04 Sep 2019, 17:33

Postie45 wrote:.....
If theyre going to strike they should concentrate on Wednesdays that is the busiest day and where a strike would be most noticeable, it would have knock on effect for the rest of the week and isnt likely to be caught up.

.......

Agree with you Postie but on the following days people should work to their contracted hours/duty hours and not hoover up the excess or it's just a
waste of time........

twiddledumb · Post by **twiddledumb** » 04 Sep 2019, 19:07

Just read the comments on the ft website reporting the story about the strike,

https://www.ft.com/content/5072ca4a-c4f ... 6ca66511c9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

what a bunch of d***s. Posties that deliver to the filthy rich snobs, remember what they think about you when you're delivering their mail.

awesomepenguin · Post by **awesomepenguin** » 05 Sep 2019, 17:04

I thought we had "legal protections" from the last agreement?

If we are legally protected surely we should not need to strike?

This should be getting fought in the courts?

Ren Hoëk · Post by **Ren Hoëk** » 05 Sep 2019, 18:17

twiddledumb wrote:Just read the comments on the ft website reporting the story about the strike,

https://www.ft.com/content/5072ca4a-c4f ... 6ca66511c9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

what a bunch of d***s. Posties that deliver to the filthy rich snobs, remember what they think about you when you're delivering their mail.

Behind a pay wall. Could you copy and paste some examples. I can imagine though. Not just the rich but the general public have no idea what the job is actually like.

postmanzach · Post by **postmanzach** » 06 Sep 2019, 07:12

Does anyone else think the shorter working week is asking too
Much and is unrealistic? It’s 14% payrise! How about a 35 hour week and a 100% secured payrise every year to match inflation?
I don’t know it just seemed too good to be true and now we are where we are again.

postmanzach · Post by **postmanzach** » 06 Sep 2019, 07:13

awesomepenguin wrote:I thought we had "legal protections" from the last agreement?

If we are legally protected surely we should not need to strike?

This should be getting fought in the courts?

Innit. Surely if it’s a signed agreement it’s legal binding.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 06 Sep 2019, 09:30

postmanzach wrote:
awesomepenguin wrote:I thought we had "legal protections" from the last agreement?

If we are legally protected surely we should not need to strike?

This should be getting fought in the courts?
Innit. Surely if it’s a signed agreement it’s legal binding.

It was never legal protection in the sense of laws passed by the government for example to protection people, animals, or the environment. It was just a business agreement which in theory can be amended or broken at any time. I really hope & pray the CWU do not put the SWW and any pay rises in the forefront of the negotiations. A bit more money in the wage packet is fine but not at the expense of horrendous changes to how we do the job or if we have jobs at all.

plodplodplod · Post by **plodplodplod** » 06 Sep 2019, 21:31

rambo1 wrote:
fed_up_postie wrote:It baffles me how so many people are worried about losing a days pay here and there from IA and are gonna vote no in the ballot, dont look at the short term lose look at the long term lose!!! No one can afford to lose any money but how can anyone afford to lose their job!!! I'm voying yes and will stand on the picket line if it means I've got a job in years to come with the terms and conditions we have now #WeRiseAgain #StandAs1 #DontVoteNo
No way that I'm gonna lose money standing on a picket line next to people who come in to work 30 mins early, run round with a bag on their shoulder and 'don't have time for a break' . They are a big part of the problem and it would be hypocritical of them to vote for strike action.

if you ever use a bag without a trolley for ANY reason from now until whenever consider yourself a hypocrit

Chelseablue · Post by **Chelseablue** » 08 Sep 2019, 17:12

The guys whove been in rm for years and refuse to join the union and take the pay rises better terms n cons etc does grate a lot . All down to greed and being selfish with some relying on others to fight the fight . Anyone else think this .

itinerant · Post by **itinerant** » 08 Sep 2019, 17:41

How do we ensure the strike is effective? I am all for solidarity and taking a stand but I can imagine, the day after strike action, half the office will agree to do loads of overtime to clear the backlog (thinking they have made their point the day before) which then reduces the impact of the strike. Is it down to the effectiveness of the office rep to ensure that any action actually has a material impact?

glass joe · Post by **glass joe** » 11 Sep 2019, 15:22

Staff in my office say about losing days pay (i imagine this will be a long strike) but if royal mail have their way you will lose pay breaks (first thing to deffo go) and lose almost 2k on the spot (if i worked that our right) plus others.