National Industrial Action Ballot

DGH · Post by **DGH** » 25 Aug 2019, 18:02

Acca Dacca wrote:Overtime ban would be completely unfair as it would be mostly PT staff making the sacrifice compared to FT
Its not so bad doing an overtime ban if your still guaranteed your 37 hours - not so much if your on the 20-30 that most PTers are on

Absolutely. It's a non-starter.

zz666 · Post by **zz666** » 25 Aug 2019, 19:09

Someone reminded me recently of the strikes we had just over 10 years ago when different sets of workers went off on consecutive days so had a snowball effect. Mail and packets built up over a week. This would be the most effective way for management to take notice.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 25 Aug 2019, 19:14

Acca Dacca wrote:
Marshamp11 wrote:The issue that we should be more concerned about is the potential to make different parts of RMG seperate Ltd Companies same as they wish to do with Parcelforce in October. It cannot be a coincidence that they wish to remove all the large profit making parcels away from DO's and therefore leaving the DO's with the loss making letters/small packets. If then the DO's were a Ltd company in its own right they could the sell that side of RMG and be left with the profit making Cherries without having to subsidise the non profit letter side.
Who would buy it if it was loss making?
Who would be responsible for maintining the USO?

RM is not planning on selling of parts of the business such as 'Delivery Ltd'. What they are attempting to do is set up a two tier workforce. The new workforce would be employed in the new parcel-centric half of the business such as the new three enormous mail hubs and the LAT hubs where all the Tracked and large parcels will be dealt with. The new workforce would be employed on similar contracts to our competitors such as take self employment/zero hours etc. The remainder, as in us current employees would remain roughly on our current contracts but over time would be phased out as the letters and flats drop to a point where RM can negotiate out of doing that work. Then the small packets and parcels get moved to the new structure and Rico gets what he wanted.

Acca Dacca · Post by **Acca Dacca** » 25 Aug 2019, 19:29

Celgar wrote:
Acca Dacca wrote:
Marshamp11 wrote:The issue that we should be more concerned about is the potential to make different parts of RMG seperate Ltd Companies same as they wish to do with Parcelforce in October. It cannot be a coincidence that they wish to remove all the large profit making parcels away from DO's and therefore leaving the DO's with the loss making letters/small packets. If then the DO's were a Ltd company in its own right they could the sell that side of RMG and be left with the profit making Cherries without having to subsidise the non profit letter side.
Who would buy it if it was loss making?
Who would be responsible for maintining the USO?
RM is not planning on selling of parts of the business such as 'Delivery Ltd'. What they are attempting to do is set up a two tier workforce. The new workforce would be employed in the new parcel-centric half of the business such as the new three enormous mail hubs and the LAT hubs where all the Tracked and large parcels will be dealt with. The new workforce would be employed on similar contracts to our competitors such as take self employment/zero hours etc. The remainder, as in us current employees would remain roughly on our current contracts but over time would be phased out as the letters and flats drop to a point where RM can negotiate out of doing that work. Then the small packets and parcels get moved to the new structure and Rico gets what he wanted.

I thought the plan was for certain DO's to do LAT's and them absorbing 1 in 6 duties though

grchpo · Post by **grchpo** » 25 Aug 2019, 22:45

Overtime ban is the most effective method, as for part timers isn't it better to get paid for their hours rather than nothing & still supporting the union. Striking one off days is a waste of time, you just get all the work the following day
As for lapsing 1 in 6 duties, if we're going to the address we might as well take a parcel

wandle · Post by **wandle** » 25 Aug 2019, 22:59

Although an overtime ban sounds like a good idea, there are some docket-hungry people who have taken on financial commitments that are only within their means when they do that level of overtime. Foolish, yes. But they would likely defy any such ban.
Back in the day, when someone asked the local union rep if they’d support a ‘go slow’, he said that wouldn’t work either... as some people would need to speed up !

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 25 Aug 2019, 23:15

Acca Dacca wrote:
Celgar wrote:
Acca Dacca wrote:
Marshamp11 wrote:The issue that we should be more concerned about is the potential to make different parts of RMG seperate Ltd Companies same as they wish to do with Parcelforce in October. It cannot be a coincidence that they wish to remove all the large profit making parcels away from DO's and therefore leaving the DO's with the loss making letters/small packets. If then the DO's were a Ltd company in its own right they could the sell that side of RMG and be left with the profit making Cherries without having to subsidise the non profit letter side.
Who would buy it if it was loss making?
Who would be responsible for maintining the USO?
RM is not planning on selling of parts of the business such as 'Delivery Ltd'. What they are attempting to do is set up a two tier workforce. The new workforce would be employed in the new parcel-centric half of the business such as the new three enormous mail hubs and the LAT hubs where all the Tracked and large parcels will be dealt with. The new workforce would be employed on similar contracts to our competitors such as take self employment/zero hours etc. The remainder, as in us current employees would remain roughly on our current contracts but over time would be phased out as the letters and flats drop to a point where RM can negotiate out of doing that work. Then the small packets and parcels get moved to the new structure and Rico gets what he wanted.
I thought the plan was for certain DO's to do LAT's and them absorbing 1 in 6 duties though

Rico would not confirm to the CWU that OPGs will be employed at the three new sorting hubs. TP has said RM want to lower all our agreed working conditions and Rico has said he just wants to do what he wants with his company. When I first showed our DOM information on RMs demands they immediately said it meant a two tier workforce. We are going to have to be willing to take a large short term hit in wages in terms of multiple days of industrial action to get anywhere with this. Single or two day strikes are not going to cut the mustard.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 25 Aug 2019, 23:18

wandle wrote:Although an overtime ban sounds like a good idea, there are some docket-hungry people who have taken on financial commitments that are only within their means when they do that level of overtime. Foolish, yes. But they would likely defy any such ban.
Back in the day, when someone asked the local union rep if they’d support a ‘go slow’, he said that wouldn’t work either... as some people would need to speed up !

No one needs to or should go slow on purpose. If you do the job as RM prescribes then it will generallly use up all of your duty time if not go over your duty time.

grchpo · Post by **grchpo** » 26 Aug 2019, 07:00

People with financial commitments will soon return to work when they can't make their next repayment. An overtime ban means you still get wages, how many can afford to be off works for weeks with no money.

stoneybroke · Post by **stoneybroke** » 26 Aug 2019, 08:16

DGH wrote:
Acca Dacca wrote:Overtime ban would be completely unfair as it would be mostly PT staff making the sacrifice compared to FT
Its not so bad doing an overtime ban if your still guaranteed your 37 hours - not so much if your on the 20-30 that most PTers are on
Absolutely. It's a non-starter.

I'm on a 25 hour PT contract and regularly work 35 to 40 hours with overtime. I would rather have an overtime ban than a all out strike.
One of the biggest problems could possibly be stopping some Fulltimers from grabbing the overtime as they do now.
I know some workers would probably defy the overtime ban and sneak in to do extra hours, but in past industrial action days, people have worked when supposedly on strike.

hero22 · Post by **hero22** » 26 Aug 2019, 11:59

if your off sick during strike action do you still get paid ?

world class male · Post by **world class male** » 26 Aug 2019, 13:20

hero22 wrote:if your off sick during strike action do you still get paid ?

yes, but if you're seen on a picket line you could have wages stopped, same if annual leave

Post by **97gaz** » 26 Aug 2019, 14:21

grchpo · Post by **grchpo** » 26 Aug 2019, 16:01

Are they taking just oversized parcels off us or are all tracked going as well. Still don't see how we will do about 120 calls including their small packets. What do you think?

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 26 Aug 2019, 16:07

grchpo wrote:Are they taking just oversized parcels off us or are all tracked going as well. Still don't see how we will do about 120 calls including their small packets. What do you think?

Any non-Tracked parcel larger than a shoe box and ALL Tracked are what is due to go to the hubs. I'm wondering if RM plan on looking into the feasibility of installing small packet sorting machines in every MC once all the larger than a shoebox non-Tracked and ALL the Tracked go to the hubs