Intergrated Mail Processor Operators!

[BELIAL]

Wonder why?

[Biggins]

L Tommo and Tman lets keep it friendly...

Moon Ur right what u say about being tied to a machine, that is exactly true. I cant believe u done wot u done tho. I am of the belief that if u do that little bit extra its only a matter of time before it becomes expected. U didnt help ur mates out, u helped Royal Mail out. As for drivers and h&s its unreal in my mc. Here are some examples... Collection brought in from the dock via 2 yorkies at once. Forklift being used in distribution during despatch when its meant to be stopped so that processing staff can take mail thro. Why that driver feels the need that he should be filling his truck so urgently for RM beats me. He hits someone between 9:15pm and 9:30pm and hes totally to blame. One time in the distribution i was told by a driver wen i put the brakes on a yorky that, "we dont use brakes in here!" Also stacking yorkies full of collecton in front of fire extinguishers.

[moon71]

Every office is different please accept that. As for me, it seems you peeps would be happy i stand around doin nuthin for 20 minutes doin nuthin waitin for the imp crew who had some breakdowns on a one off bad night, and yes i helped out my fellow mates on the imps one night (twice or thrice in a year). Let me re-phrase every office is different. It seems this thread was started by some one who says that the imp crews are lazy, PSP playing, MP3 listenening, elbow leaning, paper reading, IMP OPERATERS. Yes, i DISAGREE with that. Thats all. Paid til 9pm of at 9 in my office, deal with it. Failure not accepted.
Somedays we all have moments of slack, or good days. I simply get pissd with peeps running other peeps down for their work when other days they could be doin fukkal themselves. Seems like my days are full of some twats complaining that the imps are lazy when their doing fukkal but waitin for them.
As for me personally, dont knock me for my actions helping an IMP crew with no TPM training whilst the machines are stop, just tieing up, ive tied machines up for 7 years b4 tpm was invented. I got all the time in the world for my fellas that i work with, people like me bind all areas together. It gives me time to connect our shared thoughts and share our diversity of jobs which is appreciated. I just get pissed with people knocking people who seem to dig at other people because of there own unhappiness in RM and on this website.
As a last statement, lets remember folks, that what happens in my Mail Centre might not happen in your mailcentre. I dont run anyone down for your practices an you shouldnt knock ours. Lets just not dig at each other because your having a bad day ay?

[Biggins]

Moon i for one was certainly not having a knock at you as a person. I was simply pointing out you wer not helping ur mates, maybe catching up with them and having a chat. Ur mates wud hav went home, is it 9pm in ur office, wether or not u helped tie up an imp. Unless u are in an office that has already decided to be flexible for RM. All u done was help RM out, and to me that is a mugs game at the moment as RM are well and truely not trying to help us out. Also Regardless of ur experience on other machines, if ur not imp trained you don't touch, regardless if its running or not. Anything happens to u and its ur fault. This is not a dig, i am not having a bad day or unhappy with my job.

[postal_jedi]

Typical, a Postal Worker shows initiative and gets a hard time.

[dvbuk55]

Typical, a Postal Worker shows initiative and gets a hard time.

Well that's a lesson learned today PJ, but don't take it to heart, let those who get paid for it show the initiative.

[postal_jedi]

Typical, a Postal Worker shows initiative and gets a hard time.

Well that's a lesson learned today PJ, but don't take it to heart, let those who get paid for it show the initiative.

dvbuk55, I certainly haven't taken it to heart. If you believe standing doing nothing will safeguard your job, claiming you are not paid to think, then you're a fool. We have reached a stage where RM is looking to cut it's costs by as much as possible. They, like many businesses the same size, do this by removing anything they give to their workers, hours, allowances, sick pay and even employment. We now, more than ever, have to validate our jobs. By standing talking and watching people work or texting or reading newspapers, when we are being paid to work, we are doing nothing but irrepairible damage to our workforce.
dvbuk55 the lesson to be learnt is perhaps you should leave initiative to others and, in future, do what you normally do and just wait till Lovejoy posts something so you can agree with him.

[Biggins]

Tman u are supposed to press the blue stop button wenever a lid is lifted on an imp. This rule applies to operators and engineers alike. I know this for certain as today i spoke to 2 imp engineers about it. They both told me that they are supposed to do it. Royal mail trains and tells them to do it. It is a safety procedure that should be followed. There are no instances where they are exempt from doing it. They are held responsible for any injury incurred to themselve or anyone else in the event they havent done it. So i guess flashman and pj wer right. I suppose the little status u feel u hav being an engineer doesnt quite stretch to putting u above health and safety procedures.

[Flashman]

Postal Jedi, can I suggest you read a book called, The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists. Nothing that is happening today is new it's been happening for centuries. Unfortunately the working class man never seems to learn from his ancestors mistakes.

[postal_jedi]

Postal Jedi, can I suggest you read a book called, The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists. Nothing that is happening today is new it's been happening for centuries. Unfortunately the working class man never seems to learn from his ancestors mistakes.

Flashman, I have read this book, along time ago. I am assuming here that you are trying to make a connection between validating your jobs and capitalist exploitation. If so, then yet, another poster takes the arguement to an extreme in order to gain a so called triumph. If not I apologise, I don't often have anyone agreeing with me. I realise the many weaknesses there are with collective action, yet I will still continue to be a part it. I understand the fruitless efforts of the sole employee to achieve reform also, yet I will continue to try.

[semacsorter]

PJ As an Imp op i feel a little enlightment is needed here as to what you percieve we do ( both my wife and I operate a machine, ) and we both work in the same M/C during an average night of 7 working hours ( 8 minus breaks ) we run an average of 22000 items an hour between the 3 of us as the CFC dosent operate during that shift. that means each of us does 7000 items an hour a manual sorter if there good can do about 1000 we have to be able to change belts identify jams and correct them purely by looking at the overhead display or the computer consol which might say something like " incorrect tic tacs at module 10 " know we know that means a belt is of or letter jammed at box's 157 158 159 or 160 without needing to get an engineer or something like the machine will go crunch and shut down with the overhead flashing jam at SCM 1170 which we KNOW will be a jam in the light barrier at the scanner and how to remove it thats why were trained and why we get the fantastic sum of £21 a week. it is however like any piece of machinery it looks easy when it works !! and yes we do have periods when 2 people occasionally are doing nothing, anybody who works on the machine has to be trained not just one ! and when you consider we box up and push out on average of 145000 items a night then maybe you can see what we do. its a bit like saying we dont need a gatekeepr cos he only works when a truck turns up !! when you can do a preflight test a light barrier test and know the 14 blue lights and 7 red lights and where they are and which one is stopping the machine and which of the 15 green lights we need to push and in what order to get the machine working then i will accept your description of our job !!

[Tman]

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suppose the little status u feel u hav being an engineer doesnt quite stretch to putting u above health and safety procedures

Always the little barb, eh?
Read what's been written rather than what you like to think, please.
As for whoever it was you asked, are they really going to advise you that RM safety procedures (I can't say SSoW, as Belial doesn't like it) are wrong or unnecessary for thier job or yours?
Why, you might go on some public forum and spill the beans, and get some poor sod's finger mangled, so best to play safe and stick with the "right way".

[Tman]

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I am assuming here that you are trying to make a connection between validating your jobs and capitalist exploitation. If so, then yet, another poster takes the arguement to an extreme in order to gain a so called triumph. If not I apologise, I don't often have anyone agreeing with me. I realise the many weaknesses there are with collective action, yet I will still continue to be a part it. I understand the fruitless efforts of the sole employee to achieve reform also, yet I will continue to try

Actually, I agree with you.
It's more apparent than ever that RM is no longer a job for life, nor that length of time employed is a guarantee of getting/keeping the job you have or want.
The time is coming when those operators who do show aptitude or interest will be employed, and the complete wasters/amateur saboteurs/love-lorn/ bone-idle/disinterested will go.
To quote "I don't give two f**ks mate, I stand here for a shift, do as little as possible and go home. Who cares?"
Well, I do, and the idea that all his/her work colleagues think the same, is insulting to those who try (ie the vast majority).
If it's so bad or boring, why don't you leave and do something more interesting, or is that just too obvious?

[dvbuk55]

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I am assuming here that you are trying to make a connection between validating your jobs and capitalist exploitation. If so, then yet, another poster takes the arguement to an extreme in order to gain a so called triumph. If not I apologise, I don't often have anyone agreeing with me. I realise the many weaknesses there are with collective action, yet I will still continue to be a part it. I understand the fruitless efforts of the sole employee to achieve reform also, yet I will continue to try

Actually, I agree with you.
It's more apparent than ever that RM is no longer a job for life, nor that length of time employed is a guarantee of getting/keeping the job you have or want.
The time is coming when those operators who do show aptitude or interest will be employed, and the complete wasters/amateur saboteurs/love-lorn/ bone-idle/disinterested will go.
To quote "I don't give two f**ks mate, I stand here for a shift, do as little as possible and go home. Who cares?"
Well, I do, and the idea that all his/her work colleagues think the same, is insulting to those who try (ie the vast majority).
If it's so bad or boring, why don't you leave and do something more interesting, or is that just too obvious?

I suppose because most of us don't try to make ouselves seem or sound important!

[Tman]

I suppose because most of us don't try to make ouselves seem or sound important

Err, what is?