UPDATE - HONOURING AND DEPLOYING THE FOUR PILLARS AND PAY AGREEMENT

[k979aaa]

It's important to make the job harder by losing the hour

NO you are contractually obliged to work your hours as that is your contract of employment hours if your hours are reduced they should reduce workload if not bring it back at the due time even if it is two bags of mail and let them sort it out, But you should tell them before leaving the office but it stands to reason to anyone the reduction of hours will make the job impossible to do in the time allowed by the way What the hell are we paying managers is not what they are for?

[leolion855]

umm isnt the 'hour off' just for indoor work ie everything that comes just wont get sorted?
Therefore when the time times up just leave a york of unsorted mail throw your round out band up and go?. The outdoor shouldnt take any less or any more time

[wf]

How can you really expect the sheep to do the job properly?
I’m sick of hearing that argument
There have been workers doing the job properly for years only to be broken by bullying managers

I spent years trying to encourage members to "do the job properly" only to finally see it for what it was once I started spending time with senior union officials.

It's an excuse to pass the buck, to do nothing to help frontline staff, it's nothing more than a handy get out clause for lazy reps who can't be arsed defending their unit, area or division and it goes all the way up to the top of the union. Everything would be so much better if members just did the job properly, it's really all their fault blah blah blah.

You stop the bullying, the pressure, the constant harassment members will in the most part do the job properly, you leave them at the mercy of management they will quite rightly do what they have to do to keep their job and their sanity.

So true . They really need to deal with this or the union is dead and worthless .why are people going to keep paying dues for a service they arent getting
The same old argument about pay rises is no good when your getting tortured by these people and not getting help

[citypostie]

Don't waste time telling members to do the job properly, they know what they've got to do but refuse to do it. Therefore let them learn the hard way and it's coming with pda timings, if you're a runner then you WILL get more and eventually the penny will drop. It has at my office, finally, but it was too late for some and there was no re-pick of duties either so what they got they were stuck with.

Then they should slow down and cut off. Cant force people to work faster to get more work done than someone else has, that isn't a fair and equal workload that always gets mentioned. I suppose if they do it in every office it's a case of if you can't beat em join em and start cutting off and doing the properly.
In my office if they did it based on PDA timings without taking into account the work actually done within them times the length of duty spans would be ridiculously unbalanced. Some would be 2 + hours longer easily whereas the only difference at the moment is people delivering them

[postslippete]

Listen to Terry lording it up. Another hour off the working week probably to account for falling mail volumes, but what about the increase in packets or badly designed indoor work plans?? The only reason why posties seem to be working these "half days" is due to the fact that many of them regularly turn up for work an hour unpaid before their start time and work through their breaks. Quite happily giving away hours of their time for free, they aren't the problem posties that are causing problems for the managers. And blaming the posties for doing this doesn't cure the disease.

For example

- I've seen posties who thought sod it, my union man hasn't helped me get this monster delivery with loads of new builds taken off my duty, and every day for weeks on end I want these calls taken off so its at least somewhere similar to everyone else's when the planners first came in, and its not happening.

- I've seen many posties who have to fully prep their partners delivery as well as their own realise that its just not do-able in the indoor work plan time; but when I want a loop taken off because we are not fully prepped at 8am the manager tells me they will come back later and reassess.......and then buggers off leaving me to go and find them in an office full of managers

- I've seen managers look after their chosen few who do overtime for them and pick on the ones that start on time and refuse to do overtime.

[SpacePhoenix]

Listen to Terry lording it up. Another hour off the working week probably to account for falling mail volumes, but what about the increase in packets or badly designed indoor work plans?? The only reason why posties seem to be working these "half days" is due to the fact that many of them regularly turn up for work an hour unpaid before their start time and work through their breaks. Quite happily giving away hours of their time for free, they aren't the problem posties that are causing problems for the managers. And blaming the posties for doing this doesn't cure the disease.

The posties are part of the problem, they give a false impression on what's doable and what isn't. Higher up aren't going to give a s**t if it's down to people coming in early or working through their breaks. They'll just see the work being done by the specified time. Why would they bother putting extra hours in? As far as they're concerned the work is getting done so there's no need for extra hours to be put in and chances are they'd then be looking for scope to take hours out of the office

[postslippete]

The posties are part of the problem, they give a false impression on what's doable and what isn't. Higher up aren't going to give a s**t if it's down to people coming in early or working through their breaks. They'll just see the work being done by the specified time. Why would they bother putting extra hours in? As far as they're concerned the work is getting done so there's no need for extra hours to be put in and chances are they'd then be looking for scope to take hours out of the office

Aye, and then we will all be screwed won't we? There must be a point whereby duties get too big and staff can't complete and then what happens?? The managers who are allowing staff to start and finish early will be shooting themselves in the foot because they will then have to go out and delivery those loops. Unless of course, they have got a pool of runners who don't mind ghosting the overtime.

[itinerant]

I fully agree with starting on time and taking your breaks and we all should.

However I used to work in I.T working on data and reporting and I have been thinking about this.

i) You have a signing in time which is recorded. Even if you start before your official duty start time it should be included in any analysis of days work.

ii) The PDA actuals detect your movement/location so must know whether or not you take your full meal relief. Again this should be included in stats for that day as if a break is not taken it is clearly not representative of the outdoor time completed. After all they cannot have it both ways, if you have PDA Actuals to measure work then it should equally measure whether or not you took your break as this is the only way to have accurate figures.

My point is that is not difficult to factor early start times and breaks not taken in the stats produced to determine the actual time worked. It is self defeating and inaccurate for management to ignore these 2 time chunks and for them to conclude that a duty is too easy and needs to have additional deliveries added.

[Woody Guthrie]

It is self defeating and inaccurate for management to ignore these 2 time chunks and for them to conclude that a duty is too easy and needs to have additional deliveries added.

Exactly.
There's a huge difference between encouraging staff to start on time on take their breaks which is never a bad thing and making ridiculous claims that management will just add another half hour to a delivery that's finishing half an hour early. As I've already pointed out it's the postie finishing early not the duty and Royal Mail doesn't allocate work to individuals, it allocates work to duties. What happens when the duty changes hands an a day off, annual leave or a resign? You then have a failing duty.

Management may not be the smartest but they're not going to deliberately set duties up to fail, they may do it through sheer incompetence but not as a work plan because it will do what every manager tries to avoid. It would bring them to the attention of their own managers.

[postslippete]

Don't waste time telling members to do the job properly, they know what they've got to do but refuse to do it. Therefore let them learn the hard way and it's coming with pda timings, if you're a runner then you WILL get more and eventually the penny will drop. It has at my office, finally, but it was too late for some and there was no re-pick of duties either so what they got they were stuck with.

More of what though?? In our office, many of the runners are also taking out additional loops on other rounds on overtime and yet still finish on time. And they still get paid for this overtime. I wonder what the PDA actuals actually say to this?? If managers suddenly decided not to pay them for doing overtime and instead bolted those extra calls on their duty instead, they will soon find out that these posties won't want any overtime any more and the managers may have to go out and deliver the work themselves.

In truth, that may not be a bad thing but its funny how managers tend to 'look after' the chosen few instead.

[rogersh]

Your (managers) briefing pack Group Communications · February/March 2018
Edit;
2. PAY AND SHORTER WORKING WEEK***
"From October 2019, a further one-hour reduction to the working week, subject to a joint evaluation of factors including ongoing efficiency, implementation of changes from trials in the operation and technological changes.
A commitment to move towards a 35-hour week by 2022.
From October 2018, new full-time colleagues will be recruited on a 35-hour week.

5. PART-TIME COLLEAGUES
An increase in hourly rate of pay in October 2018 and 2019 to reflect the shorter working week of full-time colleagues. This is in addition to the pay award for all eligible colleagues.
We will honour our agreements regarding part-time colleagues:"

Terry Pullinger states Royal Mail should honour the four pillars agreement re SWW. The extract above is clear on that commitment.
In 8 weeks time, according to the CWU, the hourly rate will not increase. However this change has not been announced by Royal Mail.(they did announce managers were not receiving their usual bonus)
I would like to know officially if a I am not going to receive the expected (circa) 2.5% pay rise on 1st October 2019.

[k979aaa]

Your (managers) briefing pack Group Communications · February/March 2018
Edit;
2. PAY AND SHORTER WORKING WEEK***
"From October 2019, a further one-hour reduction to the working week, subject to a joint evaluation of factors including ongoing efficiency, implementation of changes from trials in the operation and technological changes.
A commitment to move towards a 35-hour week by 2022.
From October 2018, new full-time colleagues will be recruited on a 35-hour week.

5. PART-TIME COLLEAGUES
An increase in hourly rate of pay in October 2018 and 2019 to reflect the shorter working week of full-time colleagues. This is in addition to the pay award for all eligible colleagues.
We will honour our agreements regarding part-time colleagues:"

Terry Pullinger states Royal Mail should honour the four pillars agreement re SWW. The extract above is clear on that commitment.
In 8 weeks time, according to the CWU, the hourly rate will not increase. However this change has not been announced by Royal Mail.(they did announce managers were not receiving their usual bonus)
I would like to know officially if a I am not going to receive the expected (circa) 2.5% pay rise on 1st October 2019.

Well that would be a case of breaking the previous pay agreement and thus a need for a ballot of all members as they will not get a 2.45% pay increase or the one hour off just remember it is not just a case of them abiding by past agreements if they can break their word so soon how can we trust them for now or ever. Rico Back is an capitalistic individual who made his money by living off the backs of his own workers he made workers pay for leave or sickness or even leaving his domain just like slaves did are we to be bonded with RB on our backs?

[work]

Your (managers) briefing pack Group Communications · February/March 2018
Edit;
2. PAY AND SHORTER WORKING WEEK***
"From October 2019, a further one-hour reduction to the working week, subject to a joint evaluation of factors including ongoing efficiency, implementation of changes from trials in the operation and technological changes.
A commitment to move towards a 35-hour week by 2022.
From October 2018, new full-time colleagues will be recruited on a 35-hour week.

5. PART-TIME COLLEAGUES
An increase in hourly rate of pay in October 2018 and 2019 to reflect the shorter working week of full-time colleagues. This is in addition to the pay award for all eligible colleagues.
We will honour our agreements regarding part-time colleagues:"

Terry Pullinger states Royal Mail should honour the four pillars agreement re SWW. The extract above is clear on that commitment.
In 8 weeks time, according to the CWU, the hourly rate will not increase. However this change has not been announced by Royal Mail.(they did announce managers were not receiving their usual bonus)
I would like to know officially if a I am not going to receive the expected (circa) 2.5% pay rise on 1st October 2019.

pROBABLY GET A NEW CONTRACT WHEN WE LEAVE eUROPE INSTEAD, FELLA/LASS...SIGN FOR NEW TERMS OR LEAVE AND WE''LL GET ANOTHER BOD TO FILL YER BOOTS. tIME IS TICKING FOR A WHOLE SET OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND YOU CAN BE SURE IT WILL BE IN THE TORY-BOY/GIRL INTERESTS NOT THE LABOUR MAN/WOMAN'S. r.i.p cwu the time for action is now NOT LATER!!!!!!!!!!!

[rambo1]

How can you really expect the sheep to do the job properly?
I’m sick of hearing that argument
There have been workers doing the job properly for years only to be broken by bullying managers

I spent years trying to encourage members to "do the job properly" only to finally see it for what it was once I started spending time with senior union officials.

It's an excuse to pass the buck, to do nothing to help frontline staff, it's nothing more than a handy get out clause for lazy reps who can't be arsed defending their unit, area or division and it goes all the way up to the top of the union. Everything would be so much better if members just did the job properly, it's really all their fault blah blah blah.

You stop the bullying, the pressure, the constant harassment members will in the most part do the job properly, you leave them at the mercy of management they will quite rightly do what they have to do to keep their job and their sanity.

So true . They really need to deal with this or the union is dead and worthless .why are people going to keep paying dues for a service they arent getting
The same old argument about pay rises is no good when your getting tortured by these people and not getting help

Great post

[rambo1]

It is self defeating and inaccurate for management to ignore these 2 time chunks and for them to conclude that a duty is too easy and needs to have additional deliveries added.

Exactly.
There's a huge difference between encouraging staff to start on time on take their breaks which is never a bad thing and making ridiculous claims that management will just add another half hour to a delivery that's finishing half an hour early. As I've already pointed out it's the postie finishing early not the duty and Royal Mail doesn't allocate work to individuals, it allocates work to duties. What happens when the duty changes hands an a day off, annual leave or a resign? You then have a failing duty.

Management may not be the smartest but they're not going to deliberately set duties up to fail, they may do it through sheer incompetence but not as a work plan because it will do what every manager tries to avoid. It would bring them to the attention of their own managers.

They would. They'd sooner have to deal with a bit of excess on overtime by the reserve rather than pay the regular to finish an hr early every day, they are on it 46 weeks a yr.