Intergrated Mail Processor Operators!

[postal_jedi]

L Tommo I don't dispute the TPM payment. I dispute what I witnessed with regards to the IMP staff behaviour whilst working, not on, only near the IMP machine. My reference to the payment in my first post was merely to illustrate that if these staff are deemed responsible enought to recieve additional payments, surely they should be acting in a more responsible manner.

[norbet colon]

TPM ... Working on ANY MECH we all have to be TPM trained... Or as Star dust said.. YOU shouldnt be on there.. H&S.

In my MC when i worked on the CFC we had two cullers and took out packets flats and plastics... I know there should be 1 culler but we sent the CFC everything else and never stopped it until it Jammed. or we run out of worked.. In 2000 East London MC had the best figures for a cfc thruput... Working this way... But then RM wanted 1 culling and told to still get the same thruput with less amount of IPJ's.. It cant be done... The type of work coming thru a CFC from collections is so varied and the different amount of mail makes it hard to do if done properly with one person... Either that or it comes out the rejects or end of drum.. More work as Jedi says... It could be done better with the use of people on the culling.... CULL the work before the machine takes it in to the canceller.... The thru put should be over 30k ph....

In my mind i dont think a IMP is a good bit of kit as if one bit of it breaks down its fecked and manual handeling is then done... The CFC is much more reliable in my book and i learnt my TPM and the belt changes and minor tech faults us postman done... The enginners had the cushy jobs as we wanted the drum running back then so we cleared.. Now with the way the MC's are run now who cares..??? They want doughnuts and then cut every perk,,, we work to our 318... feck em.... Now you do get down time on all MECH and cleaning is a everyday effect.. Part of the 318... So to earn your £21 we all should do it.... Its a mundane job and we all need insentives to work... SHAME RM took this away... So now EAST LONDON MC hasnt even the same Thru put we had back then in 2000.... I wonder why???? And i wonder if any other MC has the same problems????

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That's the laughable bit about Spanish Practices that Crozier who was in turn fed by Melvin , used to save his sorry a*** during IA .

Tommo's right ,most MC's have the same problems , people are right about the whip a willing horse bit , the command & ignore , anyone who shows any common sense or initiative is a mug, he'll be abused and derided by the MC's Professional Loiterers .

Half the stuff isn't cancelled properly , a manager was caught thieving from the honesty box in Central Lancs , the IB only investigated that because of the 40,OOO letters & cards IMP Operator Chandan Patel Case ( it's googleable ) . The most he could make was £11 a week from all the money that had fallen from Mangled/torn Envelopes . The IB only asked him to resign or we'll privately prosecute because it'd been leaked to the Lancashire Evening Post , otherwise he'd have stayed indefinately suspended , probably might have come back on a no case to answer even with £ coins marked with dye & video evidence in the past.

The Manager got fined & 160 hrs Community Service but only pleaded guilty at the 11th hour because he was threatened with Crown Court . Why should he go quietly when a "Messiah MCM" fixed the raffle for his son to win a car in "The Morale Boosting Raffle ".

With surreal nonsense like that going on , you tend not to worry too much .West Cliff by the train station worked on job & nowt but that all got stopped as Mgt didn't like people getting any time out of the PO . So as Tommo says, people spin the time out and stick to 318's . it's the system .


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[Tman]

TPM ... Working on ANY MECH we all have to be TPM trained... Or as Star dust said.. YOU shouldnt be on there.. H&S.

Not true. To work any mech you SHOULD have had training (as in "Push this button here and empty that when it's full") but as we all know, even that scant training is often missed, but TPM is different again and many managers see that one TPM-trained operator per machine is adequate.
The originator of this thread is correct in his views though, and RM has turned too many blind eyes in it's dealings with the operators. They frequently do get away with working practices not to be listed on a public forum, and the CWU must take a share of the blame for that.

[Flashman]

Or perhaps they could cull the mail on the tipping end or the machine better and sort it into perhaps 1st, 2nd, stamped, PPI or Meter.

If they did that then they wouldn't have needed you to do the job. so why don't they just sack one member of staff and get the IMP operators to do it. Good one jedi.

[postal_jedi]

Hold on there flashman, this isn't about me thinking colleagues should be sacked. Perhaps you should aim your attention at the foolish IMP staff whom are blatantly abusing their position. If anyone is going to get a colleague sacked its them. After all if I can notice their unprofessional behaviour, who is to say senior management can't. Can I just add to that this thread is being dominated with TPM issues. I would prefer it if we could stay on topic please. I started this thread with regards to the blatant abuse of worktime by IMP staff and it's inevitible consequences and effects on the business in this time of competition. I don't dipute wether or not TPM payments are warrented. I believe any additional payment a postal worker can get is a good thing. Who knows perhaps one day it will be incorperated into everyones pay and subject to pay rises etc....
I would like to say at this point with regards to H&S, that IMP operators are some of the worst of violators of H&S practices. They seem to think they can move two of anything at once, even down to trays at despatch. Now, correct me if I'm wrong here but, aren't IMP staff supposed to press the red stop buttons when raise a cover on the machine. One operator, when asked by me, even told me, "Yeah, we're supposed to press them but no one bothers."
I have been trained on other peices of RM kit and everytime you're told the same thing, repeatedly. Apply any safety feature! Are IMP staff too good to apply this H&S rule to themselves.

[postal_jedi]

TPM ... Working on ANY MECH we all have to be TPM trained... Or as Star dust said.. YOU shouldnt be on there.. H&S.

In my MC when i worked on the CFC we had two cullers and took out packets flats and plastics... I know there should be 1 culler but we sent the CFC everything else and never stopped it until it Jammed. or we run out of worked.. In 2000 East London MC had the best figures for a cfc thruput... Working this way... But then RM wanted 1 culling and told to still get the same thruput with less amount of IPJ's.. It cant be done... The type of work coming thru a CFC from collections is so varied and the different amount of mail makes it hard to do if done properly with one person... Either that or it comes out the rejects or end of drum.. More work as Jedi says... It could be done better with the use of people on the culling.... CULL the work before the machine takes it in to the canceller.... The thru put should be over 30k ph....

In my mind i dont think a IMP is a good bit of kit as if one bit of it breaks down its fecked and manual handeling is then done... The CFC is much more reliable in my book and i learnt my TPM and the belt changes and minor tech faults us postman done... The enginners had the cushy jobs as we wanted the drum running back then so we cleared.. Now with the way the MC's are run now who cares..??? They want doughnuts and then cut every perk,,, we work to our 318... feck em.... Now you do get down time on all MECH and cleaning is a everyday effect.. Part of the 318... So to earn your £21 we all should do it.... Its a mundane job and we all need insentives to work... SHAME RM took this away... So now EAST LONDON MC hasnt even the same Thru put we had back then in 2000.... I wonder why???? And i wonder if any other MC has the same problems????

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That's the laughable bit about Spanish Practices that Crozier who was in turn fed by Melvin , used to save his sorry a*** during IA .

Tommo's right ,most MC's have the same problems , people are right about the whip a willing horse bit , the command & ignore , anyone who shows any common sense or initiative is a mug, he'll be abused and derided by the MC's Professional Loiterers .

Half the stuff isn't cancelled properly , a manager was caught thieving from the honesty box in Central Lancs , the IB only investigated that because of the 40,OOO letters & cards IMP Operator Chandan Patel Case ( it's googleable ) . The most he could make was £11 a week from all the money that had fallen from Mangled/torn Envelopes . The IB only asked him to resign or we'll privately prosecute because it'd been leaked to the Lancashire Evening Post , otherwise he'd have stayed indefinately suspended , probably might have come back on a no case to answer even with £ coins marked with dye & video evidence in the past.

The Manager got fined & 160 hrs Community Service but only pleaded guilty at the 11th hour because he was threatened with Crown Court . Why should he go quietly when a "Messiah MCM" fixed the raffle for his one -dimensional emotional retard of a son to win a car in "The Morale Boosting Raffle ".? That shifty "individual " was actually temporailly made up to full time in a outstation as RM decreed he'd been harassed and he'd complained that as a non member, the Union "had gone too far "

With surreal nonsense like that going on , you tend not to worry too much .West Cliff by the train station worked on job & nowt but that all got stopped as Mgt didn't like people getting any time out of the PO . So as Tommo says, people spin the time out and stick to 318's . it's the system .

www.lep.co.uk if your watching Hellmail !

Nice but way off topic! What a manager stealing has to do with IMP staff eating and doing crossword puzzles on the machine, beats me!

[dvbuk55]

I can only say that in 20 years I have never set foot inside an MC, an MC Gymnasium, an MC Shower room, an MC Canteen or any other facilities that are considered necessary for MC Staff that are totally alien to those of us used to working for a living.

[norbet colon]

Quite Simple

A IMP Operator manages to steal 40,000 cards & letters ( A "ISOLATED" "incident ") , slight problem at that MC , I'd have thought ?

Royal Mail is under the cosh with thieving staff on C4 Despatches , locally the IB has been caught with their pants down with all those cards walking out of the building , complaints about money ( which should be sent registered anyway ) going missing . Letters get mangled up by the imps , Manager either steals Pound Coins that have fallen out from the IMP or from the safe where items that have fallen from the mail and collected from the IMP are kept

[baldrick]

I can only say that in 20 years I have never set foot inside an MC, an MC Gymnasium, an MC Shower room, an MC Canteen or any other facilities that are considered necessary for MC Staff that are totally alien to those of us used to working for a living.

You haven't missed anything mate!

[postal_jedi]

Quite Simple

A IMP Operator manages to steal 40,000 cards & letters , slight problem at that MC , I'd have thought ?

Royal Mail is under the cosh with thieving staff on C4 Despatches , locally the IB has been caught with their pants down with all those cards walking out of the building , complaints about money ( which should be sent registered anyway ) going missing . Letters get mangled up by the imps , Manager either steals Pound Coins that have fallen out from the IMP or from the safe where items that have fallen from the mail and collected from the IMP are kept .

MC 's have AG 's to do actual work like tipp & seg , conveyance , Distribution & Collection is a seperate entetity .

This is an isolated incident and even I wouldn't apply this as a presidence to every IMP operator. I'm sure we could look at any section of RM and find a thief. I would argue more so in deliveries, as in my time there four people were caught. My time in the MC has not reaped such numbers, (although granted it's early days.) This instance really serves to prove very little towards the discussion other than being a platform for you to off load your frustration and bitterness at the RM attitude to a manager stealing.

[Flashman]

You are quite right about the HS on the imps jedi, it is pretty much non-existent which is something I touched on a previous thread. I would say that myself and only one other always press the blue stops when clearing a jam and when people notice you doing this they look at you as if you are crazy, the other main offenders of this are the engineers, one told me only the other week that because he was an engineer he was exempt from this rule, which is utter shite.

With regards to the main points you make, yes I do drink whilst working on the machine, its pretty much down to the individual manager whether he allows this or not, however any drinks are kept well away from the machine.

Chatting on the sorter, yes I do this its a long day working with someone if your not going to talk and the job gets done whether we chat or not.

Propping up the machine, guilty again and at times you will catch me sitting on boxes, taking off my break I'll be on my feet for 7 hours, when the machine stops and the sorter is clear I'll take every opportunity to rest my feet.

You also mention staff refusing to put their hands in the mail when tipping, they are quite right in not doing that, you are not meant to cull from the hopper, RM do not seem willing to provide staff with the proper protection eg. safety gloves, and I believe all staff who are coming into contact with mail from post boxes should be provided with these gloves. And the reason they don't this, cost.

I've worked on deliveries also and I wouldn't begrudge DO staff the chance to take an unofficial rest, or maybe have a bit of banter with their colleagues when they really they should be working, so long as the job gets done.

And as for doing crosswords, well 6 across was quite tricky.

seven letters...feeling resentment j.....s

[norbet colon]

Quite Simple

A IMP Operator manages to steal 40,000 cards & letters , slight problem at that MC , I'd have thought ?

Royal Mail is under the cosh with thieving staff on C4 Despatches , locally the IB has been caught with their pants down with all those cards walking out of the building , complaints about money ( which should be sent registered anyway ) going missing . Letters get mangled up by the imps , Manager either steals Pound Coins that have fallen out from the IMP or from the safe where items that have fallen from the mail and collected from the IMP are kept .

This is an "isolated"???? incident( TOOK A LONG TIME TO STEAL 40,00O LETTERS AND £86,000) and even I wouldn't apply this as a presidence to every IMP operator. I'm sure we could look at any section of RM and find a thief. I would argue more so in deliveries, as in my time there people were caught. My time in the MC has not reaped such numbers, (although granted it's early days.) This instance really serves to prove very little towards the discussion other than being a platform for you to off load your frustration and bitterness at the RM attitude to a manager stealing.

It's called Whistleblowing actually .

There is a lot of bitterness and frustration at RM's Double Standards to Managerial "issues " full stop on here & it's been mentioned more than once in the Voice .

The other "irrelevent " thing was orginally command & ignore , somebody certainly got ignored there, and the" trivial" matter of poor supervision & security obviously.

The point is the culture that allows such things to go on in MC's which is all wrong , OK that's a extreme but it does prove a point and it shows how badly run these places are .

It also shows that there's a mirrored culture , systematic thieving over 18 months proves the IB seem to be overun and underresourced and the chickens sometimes come home to roost .

[postal_jedi]

You are quite right about the HS on the imps jedi, it is pretty much non-existent which is something I touched on a previous thread. I would say that myself and only one other always press the blue stops when clearing a jam and when people notice you doing this they look at you as if you are crazy, the other main offenders of this are the engineers, one told me only the other week that because he was an engineer he was exempt from this rule, which is utter shite.

With regards to the main points you make, yes I do drink whilst working on the machine, its pretty much down to the individual manager whether he allows this or not, however any drinks are kept well away from the machine.

Chatting on the sorter, yes I do this its a long day working with someone if your not going to talk and the job gets done whether we chat or not.

Propping up the machine, guilty again and at times you will catch me sitting on boxes, taking off my break I'll be on my feet for 7 hours, when the machine stops and the sorter is clear I'll take every opportunity to rest my feet.

You also mention staff refusing to put their hands in the mail when tipping, they are quite right in not doing that, you are not meant to cull from the hopper, RM do not seem willing to provide staff with the proper protection eg. safety gloves, and I believe all staff who are coming into contact with mail from post boxes should be provided with these gloves. And the reason they don't this, cost.

I've worked on deliveries also and I wouldn't begrudge DO staff the chance to take an unofficial rest, or maybe have a bit of banter with their colleagues when they really they should be working, so long as the job gets done.

And as for doing crosswords, well 6 across was quite tricky.

seven letters...feeling resentment j.....s

6 across.... far from it Flashman, I am content, but focused. I am very intrigued by your mention of the gloves. This is certainly an issue worth persuing. I was unaware that culling from the hopper (the pit you tip into I assume) was not recommended. This is partly the reason I decided to post this thread. Just to see what is what. As for the engineer, well I haven't paid much attention to them and couldn't really argue if or not he is exempt. If he is not he is a fool. I will give you an example of something I witnessed on Thursday gone. Whilst walking past an IMP I saw one operator attack another with an object generally used for H&S purposes, unbelievable. However, I deviate, Flashman I comend you for your honesty and from what you say I don't think you sound as though you are abusing your position, you certainly aren't gloating like one particular poster. We all talk and sit etc...... I see no problem with it. However, what I have witnessed is very excessive. I understand we are not robots and do need to step back as it were. My original post really referred to operators who take this to an excessive level. After all we are in a time of dispute and now more than ever we should be doing our jobs professionally, safely and correctly. RM are looking to cut anything they can, why give them an easy target.

[Flashman]

Whilst walking past an IMP I saw one operator attack another with an object generally used for H&S purposes, unbelievable.

Incredible, its scum like this that give Imp operators a bad name, though having said that I know of one particular Imp operator I wouldn't mind attacking with an object generally used for H&S.

[baldrick]

There's a few managers I would quite like to attack with any object (H&S or otherwise)!