Report from the London Divisional Reps meeting and their take on Royal Mail's capital markets day announcement.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 07 Jun 2019, 19:47

It might have been mentioned on here as I haven't read all the threads. Does this plan mean that Royal Mail have intentions to get rid of Parcelforce because they were supposed to do the big parcels? Wouldn't it make more sense to keep Parcelforce and give them more vans to shift all our bigger parcels that come into the parcel hubs?

That being said, whilst there are a few downsides to van share working, the upside is that we can fit those bigger parcels in the van and it surely makes more sense in terms of petrol and staffing costs to just have one van that drives round the area.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 09 Jun 2019, 03:50

postslippete wrote:It might have been mentioned on here as I haven't read all the threads. Does this plan mean that Royal Mail have intentions to get rid of Parcelforce because they were supposed to do the big parcels? Wouldn't it make more sense to keep Parcelforce and give them more vans to shift all our bigger parcels that come into the parcel hubs?

That being said, whilst there are a few downsides to van share working, the upside is that we can fit those bigger parcels in the van and it surely makes more sense in terms of petrol and staffing costs to just have one van that drives round the area.

More Lapsing bigger walks bigger loops!

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 09 Jun 2019, 09:59

I don't think RM will get rid of Parcelforce as they use larger vans and the size of boxes they deal with would not fit in our vans. Also don't some Parcelforce guys provide their own vans & run on a franchise so there is less cost and responsibility for RM?

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 09 Jun 2019, 16:28

Celgar wrote:I don't think RM will get rid of Parcelforce as they use larger vans and the size of boxes they deal with would not fit in our vans. Also don't some Parcelforce guys provide their own vans & run on a franchise so there is less cost and responsibility for RM?

They RM wanted this for us too don't be to surprised if this is part of the next deal we are presented with at the end of the year Mr back has done very well for himself with this strategy in Europe enough so he buys lots of shares in RM and the cost to us has yet to be quantified in head count!

Martin Walsh · Post by **Martin Walsh** » 10 Jun 2019, 08:00

It was very concerning that when Royal Mail announced their 5 year strategy that they did not mention Parcelforce at all.

Now we know the margins are tight in Parcelforce and that potentially Parcelforce May have been in breach of the law in terms of owner drivers and that the CWU are pushing them on this issue in line with the fact that recent cases such as the Pimlico plumbers cases may mean that owner drivers are entitled to such things as holiday pay.

It is also important that we recognise that Royal Mail delivery more parcels in a week than Parcelforce deliver in a year. That said we need to ensure parcel force members are protected.

Currently on average there are two billion parcels in the UK market and Royal Mail’s share is just over a billion. It is expected that parcels in the uk will grow by an extra billion in the next 5 years and we have to ensure we get as much of this growth as possible. However we will not benefit from this growth if Royal Mail introduce their parcel strategy which means over a thousand delivery offices will lose parcel traffic and at the same time as letters are declining and this will mean significant reduction in hours/ jobs.

parforthewalk · Post by **parforthewalk** » 11 Jun 2019, 17:06

I wonder if RB's strategy is to roll out the GLS network over here with his 5 year plan?

The displaced RM staff from delivery's would be offered employment, but under GLS T&Cs.

I guess RB has shares in this company (GLS) too, so for him it's a huge win-win.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 12 Jun 2019, 06:54

@Martin Walsh, any chance of getting a confirmation from RM about exactly what they mean by the "next day" part of the stuff they intend on routing via the new parcel hubs?

wandle · Post by **wandle** » 14 Aug 2019, 13:26

parforthewalk wrote:I wonder if RB's strategy is to roll out the GLS network over here with his 5 year plan?

The displaced RM staff from delivery's would be offered employment, but under GLS T&Cs.

I guess RB has shares in this company (GLS) too, so for him it's a huge win-win.

GLS is a subsidiary of Royal Mail. In effect, this means ALL shareholders in Royal Mail are the ultimate owners of GLS.
If you go the website http://www.gls-group.eu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and select United Kingdom as your location, it directs you to the Parcelforce Worldwide site

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 17 Aug 2019, 12:07

wandle wrote:
parforthewalk wrote:I wonder if RB's strategy is to roll out the GLS network over here with his 5 year plan?

The displaced RM staff from delivery's would be offered employment, but under GLS T&Cs.

I guess RB has shares in this company (GLS) too, so for him it's a huge win-win.
GLS is a subsidiary of Royal Mail. In effect, this means ALL shareholders in Royal Mail are the ultimate owners of GLS.
If you go the website http://www.gls-group.eu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and select United Kingdom as your location, it directs you to the Parcelforce Worldwide site

Some shareholders are bigger than others and what is said can influence markets whether that was the intention or not did they personally gain in reducing the market value by said announcements and if so what would the regulators do about it?

Post by **the_damned** » 17 Aug 2019, 22:11

It certainly seems, as Parcelforce are the UK ‘network partner’ of GLS and we’re being split from one and not placed with the other - which would at least make some sense - that we are being cast off. RMG will no doubt, as you allude, ‘enter’ the UK market with GLS and their owner driver outdoor, zero hours indoor model will become fill the market that Parcelforce occupied. With our terms and conditions that just about allow us to live. How very dare we.

Parcelforce itself will either be allowed to just wither and die not affecting the larger group with its ltd status by removing the international reach (via GLS), taking the few decent contracts we have left...the post office one being our death knell. Choose the order you like. Or maybe be sold off if they can find a mug big enough to not realise how dependent we are on the above.

Nothing will change according to the managers lol remember that band playing as the titanic went down.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 17 Aug 2019, 22:37

the_damned wrote:It certainly seems, as Parcelforce are the UK ‘network partner’ of GLS and we’re being split from one and not placed with the other - which would at least make some sense - that we are being cast off. RMG will no doubt, as you allude, ‘enter’ the UK market with GLS and their owner driver outdoor, zero hours indoor model will become fill the market that Parcelforce occupied. With our terms and conditions that just about allow us to live. How very dare we.

Parcelforce itself will either be allowed to just wither and die not affecting the larger group with its ltd status by removing the international reach (via GLS), taking the few decent contracts we have left...the post office one being our death knell. Choose the order you like. Or maybe be sold off if they can find a mug big enough to not realise how dependent we are on the above.

Nothing will change according to the managers lol remember that band playing as the titanic went down.

More like the costa concordia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Concordia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; the captain jumped the ship first and said f**k the staff and passengers!