The one! LTB 193/18 : Four Pillars Pay Arrangements & Back Pay

donut · Post by **donut** » 05 Apr 2018, 22:23

mr hil. wrote:I do not believe all the negativity being expressed here. A company this size with the complexity that goes with the way the overtime is paid ( a week in arrears) is probably taking an extra week to ensure that the payments go through smoothly and without errors( I remember post on here saying that there would be a trial run to iron out any gliches), especially as we have had double bank holiday weeks and the financial year end in the mix too. The LTB was an attempt to let everyone know that the union are being kept in the loop as regards the planning of when and how to pay the arrears.

It is not as simple as hitting a button marked "add 5%". For example in the first qualifying week there will be payments for the previous week's overtime that would not qualify for the 5% increase. Also is our pension contributions a percentage of our pay, I think it is, so does that mean we will all have to pay extra pension contributions from October last year , and with PSE that would mean a whole new calculation to be made too. To do this for a dozen employees would be hard enough but for thousands I know I would not like to do it.

Why don't we all wait to find out when the plan is to pay the arrears before we all slate the company and the union like some have been doing.

The"Plan to pay" as you say should have been agreed , when the whole agreement everybody voted on was signed off !?

panch1989 · Post by **panch1989** » 05 Apr 2018, 22:47

mr hil. wrote:I do not believe all the negativity being expressed here. A company this size with the complexity that goes with the way the overtime is paid ( a week in arrears) is probably taking an extra week to ensure that the payments go through smoothly and without errors( I remember post on here saying that there would be a trial run to iron out any gliches), especially as we have had double bank holiday weeks and the financial year end in the mix too. The LTB was an attempt to let everyone know that the union are being kept in the loop as regards the planning of when and how to pay the arrears.

It is not as simple as hitting a button marked "add 5%". For example in the first qualifying week there will be payments for the previous week's overtime that would not qualify for the 5% increase. Also is our pension contributions a percentage of our pay, I think it is, so does that mean we will all have to pay extra pension contributions from October last year , and with PSE that would mean a whole new calculation to be made too. To do this for a dozen employees would be hard enough but for thousands I know I would not like to do it.

Why don't we all wait to find out when the plan is to pay the arrears before we all slate the company and the union like some have been doing.

Of course the weeks overtime arrears would have 5% increase. You make no sense

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 05 Apr 2018, 22:51

mr hil. wrote:I do not believe all the negativity being expressed here. A company this size with the complexity that goes with the way the overtime is paid ( a week in arrears) is probably taking an extra week to ensure that the payments go through smoothly and without errors( I remember post on here saying that there would be a trial run to iron out any gliches), especially as we have had double bank holiday weeks and the financial year end in the mix too. The LTB was an attempt to let everyone know that the union are being kept in the loop as regards the planning of when and how to pay the arrears.

It is not as simple as hitting a button marked "add 5%". For example in the first qualifying week there will be payments for the previous week's overtime that would not qualify for the 5% increase. Also is our pension contributions a percentage of our pay, I think it is, so does that mean we will all have to pay extra pension contributions from October last year , and with PSE that would mean a whole new calculation to be made too. To do this for a dozen employees would be hard enough but for thousands I know I would not like to do it.

Why don't we all wait to find out when the plan is to pay the arrears before we all slate the company and the union like some have been doing.

I don't think we will be in arrears for pension contributions. The change over is now so they won't ask for more money now.

wandle · Post by **wandle** » 06 Apr 2018, 00:50

mr hil. wrote: It is not as simple as hitting a button marked "add 5%". For example in the first qualifying week there will be payments for the previous week's overtime that would not qualify for the 5% increase WRONG. Also is our pension contributions a percentage of our pay, I think it is, so does that mean we will all have to pay extra pension contributions from October last year WRONG, NEW PENSION TAKES EFFECT 1st APRIL , and with PSE that would mean a whole new calculation to be made too WRONG. To do this for a dozen employees would be hard enough but for thousands I know I would not like to do it.

Seriously, you think some poor souls slave away every week, manually calculating how much overtime each and every individual RM employee should have added to their pay for that week? These are automated payroll systems - the whole point of such things is to take all the manual work away and have complex calculations performed automatically !!!
The CWU, before agreeing a ballot timescale that would mean it was impossible to pay the arrears in the last week of the 2017/18 Tax Year really should have insisted on an implementation date of 6th April in the event of a Yes vote. If RM failed to agree to this, then the CWU negotiators should have refused to recommend the agreement. We waited almost a year already FFS!

TheTrolleyMan · Post by **TheTrolleyMan** » 06 Apr 2018, 07:13

mr hil. wrote:I do not believe all the negativity being expressed here. A company this size with the complexity that goes with the way the overtime is paid ( a week in arrears) is probably taking an extra week to ensure that the payments go through smoothly and without errors( I remember post on here saying that there would be a trial run to iron out any gliches), especially as we have had double bank holiday weeks and the financial year end in the mix too. The LTB was an attempt to let everyone know that the union are being kept in the loop as regards the planning of when and how to pay the arrears.

It is not as simple as hitting a button marked "add 5%". For example in the first qualifying week there will be payments for the previous week's overtime that would not qualify for the 5% increase. Also is our pension contributions a percentage of our pay, I think it is, so does that mean we will all have to pay extra pension contributions from October last year , and with PSE that would mean a whole new calculation to be made too. To do this for a dozen employees would be hard enough but for thousands I know I would not like to do it.

Why don't we all wait to find out when the plan is to pay the arrears before we all slate the company and the union like some have been doing.

. There was no problem pressing the " new pension arrangements " button though was there ?

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 06 Apr 2018, 07:22

mr hil. wrote:I do not believe all the negativity being expressed here.......

You're missing the point.
It's the piss poor level of communication that's the issue. It always has been. If there's a problem or an alternative plan for paying what's owed why are we the last to know? There's no excuse for that.

elmo · Post by **elmo** » 06 Apr 2018, 08:44

wandle wrote:
mr hil. wrote: It is not as simple as hitting a button marked "add 5%". For example in the first qualifying week there will be payments for the previous week's overtime that would not qualify for the 5% increase WRONG. Also is our pension contributions a percentage of our pay, I think it is, so does that mean we will all have to pay extra pension contributions from October last year WRONG, NEW PENSION TAKES EFFECT 1st APRIL , and with PSE that would mean a whole new calculation to be made too WRONG. To do this for a dozen employees would be hard enough but for thousands I know I would not like to do it.
Seriously, you think some poor souls slave away every week, manually calculating how much overtime each and every individual RM employee should have added to their pay for that week? These are automated payroll systems - the whole point of such things is to take all the manual work away and have complex calculations performed automatically !!!
The CWU, before agreeing a ballot timescale that would mean it was impossible to pay the arrears in the last week of the 2017/18 Tax Year really should have insisted on an implementation date of 6th April in the event of a Yes vote. If RM failed to agree to this, then the CWU negotiators should have refused to recommend the agreement. We waited almost a year already FFS!

If we have waited a year, what's a couple more weeks wait? People on this thread need to step back and just remember the position we were all in a year ago when the company said there was no money for our pensions, a little money with a thousand strings attached for a pay rise, posties delivering until the sun goes down. In my opinion we should be praising our union in this day and age. People are quick to forget the fight once it's over and it's time to cut the cake. I know for sure we will get it and would would rather they get it right than me calling on a Thursday with a 100,000 other people chasing what's owed to them when the pay slip drops.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 06 Apr 2018, 10:37

Just had a txt off our rep... He's just had a meeting with the national officer and he says RM want 5 weeks to sort out the back pay... Pullinger is having none of it and is meeting with RM senior management today.

Rommagic · Post by **Rommagic** » 06 Apr 2018, 15:31

daveyeff wrote:Just had a txt off our rep... He's just had a meeting with the national officer and he says RM want 5 weeks to sort out the back pay... Pullinger is having none of it and is meeting with RM senior management today.

Meeting today?.

citypostie · Post by **citypostie** » 06 Apr 2018, 15:42

30th april

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 06 Apr 2018, 15:52

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Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 06 Apr 2018, 15:56

LTB 203/18 - Four Pillars Pay Arrangements & Back Pay

No. 203/2018

6th April 2018

Dear Colleagues,

Four Pillars Pay Arrangements & Back Pay

Further to LTB 193/18, attached for the information of Branches is a communication issued today by the business, the content of which is self-explanatory.

We understand that members will be disappointed at the length of time they will have to wait to receive their back pay, however, the circumstances in respect of the implementation of the pay award and associated pension arrangements are complex which we are sure members will appreciate.

We thank you for your understanding and patience in respect of this matter.

Any enquiries in relation to this LTB should be addressed to the DGS(P) Department.

Yours sincerely

Terry Pullinger

Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

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trix138 · Post by **trix138** » 06 Apr 2018, 15:56

Does this not mean we won't get the backpay until 4th May??

trix138 · Post by **trix138** » 06 Apr 2018, 15:59

Just been confirmed posties won't get their backpay until 4th May, along with the payrise

Jambomatt1874 · Post by **Jambomatt1874** » 06 Apr 2018, 16:20

That’s a joke!