Nocpsteve wrote:Will the new pension be legal by the time we vote on it?
It's a vote on acceptance in principle rather than on if its legal or not. According to the evidence given in parliament, DWP mandarins think that changes to the law required to bring in CDC are "minimal".cpsteve wrote: if not how can we vote on it.
Sorry but I really am struggling to get my head around this concept.stephen500 wrote:I will be voting yes.
I think as long as Royal Mail bend over backwards to ensure as much flexibility as possible, .
I see you work in processing! Says it all !stephen500 wrote:I will be voting yes.
The pay agreement in not perfect, yes below inflation, but it is decent.
Pensions, for me with 3 years to go, not really an issue for me. If I was a younger postman, yes I would be asking questions about the pension.
But overall I think, in the long term, it is better than Royal Mail's original cash balance scheme. (which actually suits me better with the little service, I have left to do).
Pipe line and extended hours. I think as long as Royal Mail bend over backwards to ensure as much flexibility as possible, to allow as many to finish as near as their current times, the more chance of pleasing postpersons and getting a yes vote.
Sick leave. Well this is the unknown. We will have a working group. We have no idea, what this will recommend? Will it limit sick days, reduce pay? Very open ended.
But think of RM original proposals. Of course, they may have proposed Armageddon, knowing that in reality, the City were really only ever after limiting exposure to pensions.
Overall though, it's a yes from me.
The definition of unskilled means you need no training or a learning curve to do the job "postman is definitely not unskilled " once you know the job it becomes easierwestham000 wrote:Andy51 is right, although I wouldn’t express myself in such a manner. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, me included.
So here it goes. Comparing a nurse too a Postie, is like comparing apples and oranges. A nurse takes Years of training, a Postie, and I don’t want to sound disrespectful, takes a few weeks to become efficient.
Our wages and terms of conditions as I have already stated, are for unskilled workers very good. Full time, in London, with this new deal, if there is a yes vote, we be over £26000, we additional earning opportunities. I personally cannot remember when I earnt less then £35000 a year.
Our hourly rate will be over £13 an hour. For a unskilled job. I get for over 20 years service 6 weeks holiday a week. Plus very generous sick leave .
This all cost money! And don’t forget, the business has over 100,000 employees.
In my opinion, if this deal gets rejected, I very much doubt that we will be offered a better one. And if there is strike action to try to squeeze more from them, and the consequences being that we lose contracts because of it, expect to find yourselves being asked to reapply for your job at considerably less money, and inferior T&C.
That is why I’m voting YES.
If there is a no vote , it means the folks promoting this deal do not represent the aspirations of the membership.Lincox wrote:If there is a massive no vote Royal Mail have a very big problem on their hands as do the CWU.
Having watched these videos from this forum I am not sure whether they are the same as on facebook as I do not subscribe to facebook. If they are then it is surprising that none of them show any of the questions that were being asked. I found the whipping up of the audience by Terry Pullinger no more than a pantomime act. It appeared that all of the interviewees were preprepped and waiting for their queue for their nice little chat with the interviewer whilst everyone else could not wait to get out.POSTMAN wrote:From what I am seeing on the Facebook vids we're posting, there seems to be a massive love in and the reps no doubt will be pushing the agreement big time to their members.