I agree. In five years' time wealth will have concentrated further again.jetblack wrote:Agreed Milly. But there is common cause.milly wrote:,there is no Establishment conspiracy here.
Keep at it RMG - you are half way thereLouBarlow wrote:.. unless action is called before Christmas I am done this time.
But if we all do that, and if they know we will all do that, then it's all over. That'd be perfect for RM.LouBarlow wrote:Absolutely. I have been out the last two national strikes, but unless action is called before Christmas I am done this time. I'm not losing pay when the union will have zero leverage. Royal Mail know that they can sit it out after then and will win any war of attrition.fishtank wrote:The union signed up to the legal protections.CWU have been stitched up by the system.
The union knew about the mediation clause.
The union has its own lawyers.
In what way were they stitched up?
Last time round we managed the 'Deal of the Century' or whatever the union deemed it. This whole current shambles is a by-product of that monumental f**k up of an agreement.
Nope, that was posted, I remember. Must've been chucked out as being too awkward to considerJonesy 1971 wrote:What happened to this alleged document that the CWU had from RM stating that they dint want or need external mediation? This was bounded around a week ago on here I'm sure it was! But if I am wrong I must have dreamed it
I think you're right. Last two days, had a combi oven and a step ladder on board. Trying to work around them in a combi can has been ridiculous.seaside wrote:Don't think it makes a difference when we strike, before Christmas or after, its all about parcels . we strike and some other company gets to deliver our parcels, shareholders not going to be happy.
Thanks Laggy at least I wasn't dreaming!LaggyBand wrote:Nope, that was posted, I remember. Must've been chucked out as being too awkward to considerJonesy 1971 wrote:What happened to this alleged document that the CWU had from RM stating that they dint want or need external mediation? This was bounded around a week ago on here I'm sure it was! But if I am wrong I must have dreamed it
One sure-fire way to save members' funds would be to allow RM to do whatever they like, not put up any sort of fight, and refund members' subs at the end of each year. Is that your argument ?cloherty1976 wrote: Most people thought they would lose in court.
So why did they not withdraw the strike as Royal Mail gave them time? What would that achieve? It would have given the green light to RM to just drag the talks on and on and on until RM smirked among themselves 'Hey! We fooled the prats and are successfully past Christmas with no action!'
Was it just to look strong to members? If they'd withdrawn the strike, the CWU would have looked weak, both to members and, more crucially, to Royal Mail, who may have been emboldened enough to perhaps try to force through change by executive action
Would have saved members funds
This post sums it up brilliantly well done that man !wandle wrote:One sure-fire way to save members' funds would be to allow RM to do whatever they like, not put up any sort of fight, and refund members' subs at the end of each year. Is that your argument ?cloherty1976 wrote: Most people thought they would lose in court.
So why did they not withdraw the strike as Royal Mail gave them time? What would that achieve? It would have given the green light to RM to just drag the talks on and on and on until RM smirked among themselves 'Hey! We fooled the prats and are successfully past Christmas with no action!'
Was it just to look strong to members? If they'd withdrawn the strike, the CWU would have looked weak, both to members and, more crucially, to Royal Mail, who may have been emboldened enough to perhaps try to force through change by executive action
Would have saved members funds
We have a great ballot result.
We lost in court, but gained a specific time-frame for negotiations to be concluded.
We can still take strike action, and don't have to p!ss about, wasting up to three weeks to conduct a ballot. We can give 14 days notice and still take action when Royal Mail's institutional shareholders and biggest customers will be exerting the maximum pressure on the board of Royal Mail to find a deal that they (and we) can live with.
The Stock Market clearly don't believe this is the 'victory' for Royal Mail that some on here would have you believe. A movement upwards of just 1.8p in the share price is hardly a signal that Royal Mail have got their way, is it?
This post sums it up brilliantly well done that man ![/quote]Jonesy 1971 wrote: We have a great ballot result.
We lost in court, but gained a specific time-frame for negotiations to be concluded.
We can still take strike action, and don't have to p!ss about, wasting up to three weeks to conduct a ballot. We can give 14 days notice and still take action when Royal Mail's institutional shareholders and biggest customers will be exerting the maximum pressure on the board of Royal Mail to find a deal that they (and we) can live with.
The Stock Market clearly don't believe this is the 'victory' for Royal Mail that some on here would have you believe. A movement upwards of just 1.8p in the share price is hardly a signal that Royal Mail have got their way, is it?
Fair point but remember the share market moved the day before. Let's see what it does today!Jonesy 1971 wrote:This post sums it up brilliantly well done that man !wandle wrote:One sure-fire way to save members' funds would be to allow RM to do whatever they like, not put up any sort of fight, and refund members' subs at the end of each year. Is that your argument ?cloherty1976 wrote: Most people thought they would lose in court.
So why did they not withdraw the strike as Royal Mail gave them time? What would that achieve? It would have given the green light to RM to just drag the talks on and on and on until RM smirked among themselves 'Hey! We fooled the prats and are successfully past Christmas with no action!'
Was it just to look strong to members? If they'd withdrawn the strike, the CWU would have looked weak, both to members and, more crucially, to Royal Mail, who may have been emboldened enough to perhaps try to force through change by executive action
Would have saved members funds
We have a great ballot result.
We lost in court, but gained a specific time-frame for negotiations to be concluded.
We can still take strike action, and don't have to p!ss about, wasting up to three weeks to conduct a ballot. We can give 14 days notice and still take action when Royal Mail's institutional shareholders and biggest customers will be exerting the maximum pressure on the board of Royal Mail to find a deal that they (and we) can live with.
The Stock Market clearly don't believe this is the 'victory' for Royal Mail that some on here would have you believe. A movement upwards of just 1.8p in the share price is hardly a signal that Royal Mail have got their way, is it?
Sneering isn't very attractive.loyalsnail wrote:I wonder how many millions of pounds the CWU will spend on stationery in their 2017 report. They certainly like to be seen and heard, which I guess is important when you have to legitimise £28m of Union subs...
Haven't deleted a post in weeks. Merged and amended some, but none deleted.Jonesy 1971 wrote:Thanks Laggy at least I wasn't dreaming!LaggyBand wrote:Nope, that was posted, I remember. Must've been chucked out as being too awkward to considerJonesy 1971 wrote:What happened to this alleged document that the CWU had from RM stating that they dint want or need external mediation? This was bounded around a week ago on here I'm sure it was! But if I am wrong I must have dreamed it
