LTB 547/17 - Royal Mail Group dispute : High Court judgment and National Briefing : & Video

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 12 Oct 2017, 18:54

How long's a piece of string and don't bank on moya being strong and stable probably have a nervous breakdown halfway through the talks call in sick and bugger off to Canada again!

jetblack · Post by **jetblack** » 12 Oct 2017, 18:55

loyalsnail wrote:
jetblack wrote:You've lost me there.
2016 Annual Report.

£28m paid in from members
£3.4m spent on Stationery, Printing, Postage & Telephone
£222k on Representation of members (tribunals)
£120k on Gen Sec Salary

How much did the recent RMG propaganda campaign cost loyalsnail ?? Members paid for that as well.

loyalsnail · Post by **loyalsnail** » 12 Oct 2017, 19:00

jetblack wrote:
loyalsnail wrote:
jetblack wrote:You've lost me there.
2016 Annual Report.

£28m paid in from members
£3.4m spent on Stationery, Printing, Postage & Telephone
£222k on Representation of members (tribunals)
£120k on Gen Sec Salary
How much did the recent RMG propaganda campaign cost loyalsnail ?? Members paid for that as well.

50p if it's success is anything to go by, too much if time=money as I'll never get back the time I spent picking postcards off the floor and putting them in the blue bin!

Post by **cloherty1976** » 12 Oct 2017, 19:03

k979aaa wrote:How long's a piece of string and don't bank on moya being strong and stable probably have a nervous breakdown halfway through the talks call in sick and bugger off to Canada again!

Will that cause a delay?

jetblack · Post by **jetblack** » 12 Oct 2017, 19:07

clashcityrocker wrote:Are you not supposed to enter the mediation in good faith?
I'm not sure the "let's get this over with so we can still walk out" attitude is what is needed.

Define 'good faith'. Did RMG take out the injunction 'in good faith' ? Did the judge act 'in good faith' in backing the employer, yet again ?
Does 'good faith' come into a game of chess ? I dunno. There are rules to the game. Not only do we get no say in establishing the rules of the game, but the game itself is not of our choosing - but we have to play it anyhow.
Between the very powerful corporate shareholders, the 'in the pocket' UK Tory government and the complicit judiciary we are well and truly over a barrel/ taking it up the arse.

Where's the 'good faith' in that ??

krussel · Post by **krussel** » 12 Oct 2017, 19:10

Ok fair enough but i will be very upset if the Union call off any strike action over the xmas pressure.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 12 Oct 2017, 19:18

cloherty1976 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:How long's a piece of string and don't bank on moya being strong and stable probably have a nervous breakdown halfway through the talks call in sick and bugger off to Canada again!
Will that cause a delay?

Who else will sign it off or give approval is the wizz kid from HSBC going to head the talks you know the guy on the WTLL videos head of propaganda Royal Mail well that worked well 10 million pounds in propaganda and 10.9% voting agreeing with the propaganda. This whole saga reminds me of Adam Crozier about 9 years ago the guy just disappeared no one could find him.

Post by **cloherty1976** » 12 Oct 2017, 19:23

k979aaa wrote:
cloherty1976 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:How long's a piece of string and don't bank on moya being strong and stable probably have a nervous breakdown halfway through the talks call in sick and bugger off to Canada again!
Will that cause a delay?
Who else will sign it off or give approval is the wizz kid from HSBC going to head the talks you know the guy on the WTLL videos head of propaganda Royal Mail well that worked well 10 million pounds in propaganda and 10.9% voting agreeing with the propaganda. This whole saga reminds me of Adam Crozier about 9 years ago the guy just disappeared no one could find him.

Hasn't he just left itv and on to bigger things

nothingatthemoment · Post by **nothingatthemoment** » 12 Oct 2017, 19:24

sixfoottwo wrote:When are we on strike now then after all is said and done? After Chrimbo or before?

5 weeks external negotiation + 14 days notice to strike + however long RM try to delay in going into negotiation in the first place.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 12 Oct 2017, 19:30

cloherty1976 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
cloherty1976 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:How long's a piece of string and don't bank on moya being strong and stable probably have a nervous breakdown halfway through the talks call in sick and bugger off to Canada again!
Will that cause a delay?
Who else will sign it off or give approval is the wizz kid from HSBC going to head the talks you know the guy on the WTLL videos head of propaganda Royal Mail well that worked well 10 million pounds in propaganda and 10.9% voting agreeing with the propaganda. This whole saga reminds me of Adam Crozier about 9 years ago the guy just disappeared no one could find him.
Hasn't he just left itv and on to bigger things

We Royal Mail was big once and he decimated our industry well he done very nice for himself since he left us £27 million nice here https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... steps-down" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **cloherty1976** » 12 Oct 2017, 19:36

k979aaa wrote:
cloherty1976 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
cloherty1976 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:How long's a piece of string and don't bank on moya being strong and stable probably have a nervous breakdown halfway through the talks call in sick and bugger off to Canada again!
Will that cause a delay?
Who else will sign it off or give approval is the wizz kid from HSBC going to head the talks you know the guy on the WTLL videos head of propaganda Royal Mail well that worked well 10 million pounds in propaganda and 10.9% voting agreeing with the propaganda. This whole saga reminds me of Adam Crozier about 9 years ago the guy just disappeared no one could find him.
Hasn't he just left itv and on to bigger things
We Royal Mail was big once and he decimated our industry well he done very nice for himself since he left us £27 million nice here https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... steps-down" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It would be nice to see Royal Mail shares grow like that. Wow

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 12 Oct 2017, 19:48

cloherty1976 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
cloherty1976 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
cloherty1976 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:How long's a piece of string and don't bank on moya being strong and stable probably have a nervous breakdown halfway through the talks call in sick and bugger off to Canada again!
Will that cause a delay?
Who else will sign it off or give approval is the wizz kid from HSBC going to head the talks you know the guy on the WTLL videos head of propaganda Royal Mail well that worked well 10 million pounds in propaganda and 10.9% voting agreeing with the propaganda. This whole saga reminds me of Adam Crozier about 9 years ago the guy just disappeared no one could find him.
Hasn't he just left itv and on to bigger things
We Royal Mail was big once and he decimated our industry well he done very nice for himself since he left us £27 million nice here https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... steps-down" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It would be nice to see Royal Mail shares grow like that. Wow

What at the expense of our terms and conditions pensions you only have a few hundred shares they have hundreds of thousands shares for the small holders do not benefit them if they work in the business as they cut expenditure to grow the share price they are not growing the business no one is growing anything in this nation for they are but parasites sucking the blood of our labours!

bulbhead42 · Post by **bulbhead42** » 12 Oct 2017, 20:04

What a mess the CWU have made of this , they had the biggest yes vote you could imagine with 3/4 of the members backing them and they have blown it .There is now way we will be striking before Christmas and once Christmas had gone they will have nothing to bargain with .They have been out classed by management yet again.

jetblack · Post by **jetblack** » 12 Oct 2017, 20:10

bulbhead42 wrote:What a mess the CWU have made of this

LOL - nothing to do with the most stringent and anti union legislation since 1910, a Tory Govt., and a High Court judge being, well, a High court judge.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 12 Oct 2017, 20:13

jetblack wrote:
bulbhead42 wrote:What a mess the CWU have made of this
LOL - nothing to do with the most stringent and anti union legislation since 1910, a Tory Govt., and a High Court judge being, well, a High court judge.

And an oxford one at that more blue than the sky on a warm summers day!