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johno47
- Posts: 495
- Joined: 10 Feb 2007, 16:45
- Location: Burslem
Fozzie if you get the sack i will get you a job at our place and you can strap a bag to your back and feel used and exploited by delivering competitors mail for peanuts.
Considering the actual cost of sending a letter is 45p i think 13.5p per letter is a good deal, i know, i know, the competitors have collect it, stick their emblum on the front and then take it to RM to be sorted, distributed and delivered, it must be hellish work for them, and they could only deliver it more cheaply because they dont want to deliver to rural areas, scummy estates and anywhere its out of the way, they just want big cities and towns, its the competitors that are making RM get rid of postal staff and wanting to put up prices for the customers although not for competitors mail, so competitors are the winners not customers or you or me, we will be the losers, so in what way is competition good for the customer, as far as i can see it isnt not now or in the long run.
Before competition we had a company that employed nearly 200,000 postal staff and made a profit of £600,000,000 and now competition has been allowed to cream off the most lucrative bits, i.e business mail, which subsidised the cost of a customers letter,we are now in dire straights and making a loss and need to get rid of staff, put up prices, and need mechanisation to save us.
Telecoms is similar on one point to RM in that, even if you have a different company as your phone provider, you still pay BT a fee for the use of their phone line, and just while we are on the point of BT, did you know that before privatisation there were 250,000 people working for them and now theres about 100,000 and their pensions changed, some are working for competitors but on worse money, just a snippet of information for anyone wanting to know what life will be like if we dont get a yes vote for strike action, thats what privatisation is all about, its for the benefit of business men and shareholders, nothing to do with customers benefit.
It doesnt matter how many new products RM or competitors bring out, its about people, the point im trying to make Fozzie is this whole business is about people, the community, and a British way of life and it will be lost for profit, not customers benefit, but out and out profit, this isnt competition its slow strangulation of RM, the demise of which will be felt by customers and staff in the future.
Considering the actual cost of sending a letter is 45p i think 13.5p per letter is a good deal, i know, i know, the competitors have collect it, stick their emblum on the front and then take it to RM to be sorted, distributed and delivered, it must be hellish work for them, and they could only deliver it more cheaply because they dont want to deliver to rural areas, scummy estates and anywhere its out of the way, they just want big cities and towns, its the competitors that are making RM get rid of postal staff and wanting to put up prices for the customers although not for competitors mail, so competitors are the winners not customers or you or me, we will be the losers, so in what way is competition good for the customer, as far as i can see it isnt not now or in the long run.
Before competition we had a company that employed nearly 200,000 postal staff and made a profit of £600,000,000 and now competition has been allowed to cream off the most lucrative bits, i.e business mail, which subsidised the cost of a customers letter,we are now in dire straights and making a loss and need to get rid of staff, put up prices, and need mechanisation to save us.
Telecoms is similar on one point to RM in that, even if you have a different company as your phone provider, you still pay BT a fee for the use of their phone line, and just while we are on the point of BT, did you know that before privatisation there were 250,000 people working for them and now theres about 100,000 and their pensions changed, some are working for competitors but on worse money, just a snippet of information for anyone wanting to know what life will be like if we dont get a yes vote for strike action, thats what privatisation is all about, its for the benefit of business men and shareholders, nothing to do with customers benefit.
It doesnt matter how many new products RM or competitors bring out, its about people, the point im trying to make Fozzie is this whole business is about people, the community, and a British way of life and it will be lost for profit, not customers benefit, but out and out profit, this isnt competition its slow strangulation of RM, the demise of which will be felt by customers and staff in the future.
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F0zziebear
- MYSTERY MAN
- Posts: 637
- Joined: 31 Jan 2007, 23:45
re: Agree with your last snippet
100,000 is the unwritten rule of maximum sized businesses. I think it is hard to control something bigger than that (personal unqualified view). The role of public sector is much debated. In Ireland they got people building a motorway that had absolutely no purpose, but employed many people and made economic and social sense. I don't like the way this country is going either with respect to community life. Blaming the competition for the demise is slightly unfair. I think RM were incapable of changing over a longer period of time. During the pension holiday the machinery was not sufficiently upgraded. We now have a situation where massive wholesale change is required to keep up.
It is a bit like telecoms as well, which explains why RM now has a wholesale department which handles competitors contracts and access arrangements with the company. The access agreements are quite strict and Postcomm are possibly looking to slightly relax them. For example competitors have a 1.2 hour window to get the mail into a mail centre. If it isn't there within that time with numerous other pieces of paper and bureacracy provided then RM can refuse it. I would argue that competition are best placed to invest in the machinery to meet business mail volumes and needs. RM should be there as the part that private companies cannot provide. This should not be provided for peanuts, but with specialist human resource that is paid well. Your knowledge as a postman cannot be replaced by machines or automation. This is your advantage that no-one else can replace. TNT and DHL and others know this and any plans they have should take notice of this. I can only say for myself that I argued this point very strongly when working for the competition.
Good luck with the future, but I expect upto another 60,000 roles to go over 5-7 years (both Ops and Mgmt) sorry to be the prophet of doom
It is a bit like telecoms as well, which explains why RM now has a wholesale department which handles competitors contracts and access arrangements with the company. The access agreements are quite strict and Postcomm are possibly looking to slightly relax them. For example competitors have a 1.2 hour window to get the mail into a mail centre. If it isn't there within that time with numerous other pieces of paper and bureacracy provided then RM can refuse it. I would argue that competition are best placed to invest in the machinery to meet business mail volumes and needs. RM should be there as the part that private companies cannot provide. This should not be provided for peanuts, but with specialist human resource that is paid well. Your knowledge as a postman cannot be replaced by machines or automation. This is your advantage that no-one else can replace. TNT and DHL and others know this and any plans they have should take notice of this. I can only say for myself that I argued this point very strongly when working for the competition.
Good luck with the future, but I expect upto another 60,000 roles to go over 5-7 years (both Ops and Mgmt) sorry to be the prophet of doom
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johno47
- Posts: 495
- Joined: 10 Feb 2007, 16:45
- Location: Burslem
Fozzie i understand what your saying, RM has been under invested for years and at the same time taking a pension holiday, but, this company that was under invested and made big profits, for goverment for 20 years, the postal markets should not have been opened up for at least another 6 or 7 years to allow RM to invest in the business and bring everything up to date, it was all done in a rush, and Leighton and Crozier didnt help by saying that we would be ready it was obvious even to us that there was no way we could be ready after years of under investment in the company, but for me this business did not need to be opened up to competition, it serves no purpose other than to make competitors easy money, i dont agree that competition is better placed to handle business mail, we were doing this job well before these companies started and with time to improve our mechanisation could have competed with any rival, but we were not given enough time, which goes back to the point of the goverment wanting partial or full privatisation.
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DirtyHarry
- Posts: 5051
- Joined: 13 May 2007, 23:16
- Gender: Male
- Location: London
Nice one johno......
Couldn't have put it better myself. 
The market place is not where RM should be. The RM was a great national asset once,
it's only over the last 4/5 years , since the morons in charge started preparing for privatisation , that the service to the general public
has deteriorated to the extent we see today. Who was crying out for a free-for-all in the postal industry? The public ?......... No , only
the same old culprits , daft misguided politicians , and that great friend of the masses , the fat cat greedy beyond all belief, businessman.
Will the public ever learn , and rise up against these privateers ?
VOTE FOR YOUR FUTURE , VOTE YES.
The market place is not where RM should be. The RM was a great national asset once,it's only over the last 4/5 years , since the morons in charge started preparing for privatisation , that the service to the general public
has deteriorated to the extent we see today. Who was crying out for a free-for-all in the postal industry? The public ?......... No , only
the same old culprits , daft misguided politicians , and that great friend of the masses , the fat cat greedy beyond all belief, businessman.
Will the public ever learn , and rise up against these privateers ?
VOTE FOR YOUR FUTURE , VOTE YES.