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rogersh
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Re: PSE

Post by rogersh »

Darren Bent wrote:so when do this start.

How much will a typical full timer earn now after tax with 2.8% pay rise, plus increase tax free earnings to 10,000 and PSE changes. Just asking.
According to information sent, PSE begins late summer.

Cannot be specific to calculation of pay as too many variables re type of pension & rate also shift allowance & supplements.

However assuming a pay rate of £395.80 plus 2.8% = £406.88

Tax Allowance (April 2015 -single) is 10,600 + £120 (clothing allowance! ) = £10,720

Free pay 206.15 p/w Tax at 20% over this to Assessable pay (Gross -- Minus Pension)

National insurance = 12% above £155.00 to Gross -- Minus Pension Contribution (PSE change)
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Re: PSE

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Biker Mouse wrote:If I remember correctly, to get the full enhanced state pension, you have to have paid 35 years NI payments. For each year you are "contracted out" you lose a year from the 35yrs NI payments. The RMPP is contracted out until 2016 so non of us will get the full enhanced state pension. Myself have worked since 1974 and have paid the full 35 yrs but for 8 yrs with RM and 6 yrs with a previous employer will not qualify as I only have 21 yrs full NI. Doesn't matter if you work 50yrs, the NI is a 35 yr max.
From gov.uk

3. How it's calculated
Your new State Pension is based on your National Insurance record.

National Insurance contributions or credits on your National Insurance record before 6 April 2016 will count towards your new State Pension.

Valuing your National Insurance contributions and credits made before 6 April 2016
Your National Insurance record before 6 April 2016 is used to calculate your ‘starting amount’. This is part of your new State Pension.

Your starting amount will be the higher of either:

the amount you would get under the current State Pension rules (which includes basic State Pension and Additional State Pension)
the amount you would get if the new State Pension had been in place at the start of your working life
Your starting amount will include a deduction if you were contracted out of the Additional State Pension. You may have been contracted out because you were in a certain type of workplace, personal or stakeholder pension.

If your starting amount is less than the full new State Pension

You may be able to get more State Pension by adding more qualifying years on your National Insurance record after 5 April 2016 (until you reach the full new State Pension amount or reach State Pension age - whichever is first).

Each qualifying year on your National Insurance record after 5 April 2016 will add about £4.24 a week (which is £148.40 divided by 35) to your new State Pension.

Example

You had a starting amount from your National Insurance record before 6 April 2016 of £120 a week.

You have another 5 qualifying years on your National Insurance record after 5 April 2016 (each year adding £4.24 a week to your State Pension) equalling £21.20 a week.

This adds up to £141.20 a week for your State Pension.

If your starting amount is more than the full new State Pension

The difference between your starting amount and the full new State Pension is called your ‘protected payment’.

Your protected payment is paid on top of your new State Pension and increases each year in line with inflation.

Any qualifying years you have after 5 April 2016 won’t add more to your State Pension.

You didn’t make National Insurance contributions or get National Insurance credits before 6 April 2016
Your State Pension will be calculated entirely under the new State Pension rules.

You’ll usually need at least 10 qualifying years on your National Insurance record to get any State Pension.

You’ll need 35 qualifying years to get the full new State Pension.

You’ll get a proportion of the new State Pension if you have between 10 and 35 qualifying years.

Example

You have 20 qualifying years on your National Insurance record after 6 April 2016.

You multiply 20 qualifying years by £4.24 (which is £148.40 divided by 35).

Your new State Pension will be £84.80 per week.

Your new State Pension is more likely to be calculated in this way if you were born after the year 2000 or became a resident of the UK after 2015.

Get a State Pension statement
You can get a State Pension Statement that can tell you how much new State Pension you may get.
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Re: PSE

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So if I am paying less NI contributions, I presume RM will be paying in less employer contributions ? And more employees will miss out on a full state pension?
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Re: PSE

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So guys is it getting the thumbs up or bin it?....for full timers and part timers... :shock: a simple yes or no will suffice
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Re: PSE

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masterblaster wrote:So if I am paying less NI contributions, I presume RM will be paying in less employer contributions ? And more employees will miss out on a full state pension?
As long as you're earning enough to pay NI then you're building up your state pension, just like anyone else. Infact when RMPP members start to pay NI at 12% in April 2016 we will begin to build up entitlements to the 'new state pension' which we're not doing with the 'state second pension' now as we're contracted out of it. All PSE is doing is softening the blow of the higher rate.
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Re: PSE

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P739 wrote:So guys is it getting the thumbs up or bin it?....for full timers and part timers... :shock: a simple yes or no will suffice
As a full timer it's definite thumbs up from me.
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Re: PSE

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masterblaster wrote:So if I am paying less NI contributions, I presume RM will be paying in less employer contributions ? And more employees will miss out on a full state pension?
My understanding is that you are paying 12% national insurance contributions whereas being contracted out of the second state pension meant you paid less % NI contributions. 12% will be deducted from lower gross pay (minus pension contributions) although this will mean lower NI cont"s it will not affect state pension contributory years.
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Here is how it works http://www.aviva-for-advisers.co.uk/adv ... y-exchange" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; but I would be very careful of being enrolled in it automatically remember the pension holiday royal mail and other companies had and said they cannot afford their contributions for final salary schemes now I am worried about this and the CWU telling us it will be alright don't think so!
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Re: PSE

Post by Spedley »

The letter we [finally] got from the CWU seems to say that:

A) The government will soon be increasing NI contributions.
B) The government is encouraging workplace pensions by allowing companies to not pay NI on pension contributions.
C) The savings we make from not paying NI on our pension will not quite cover the increase in NI contributions
D) We will get a slight pay cut in real terms .
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Re: PSE

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How does this impact on posties claims for working tax credit ?

At the minute pension contributions by the employee/postie are deductible from gross salary for WTC calculation purposes.

Of course, IDS is replacing WTC with Universal credit.

I know this much - such ostensibly easy tax (NI) dodges simply do not happen for the likes of me (a humble postman)

Any £50 per year saving by this PSE slight of hand could be absolutely annihilated by what many of us could potentially lose in WTC - IDS was already trying to only let us deduct 50% of our pension contributions for Universal Credit purposes (whereas with the current WTC system its 100%) - so who knows what they have up their sleeves here.
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Re: PSE

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jetblack wrote:How does this impact on posties claims for working tax credit ?

At the minute pension contributions by the employee/postie are deductible from gross salary for WTC calculation purposes.

Of course, IDS is replacing WTC with Universal credit.

I know this much - such ostensibly easy tax (NI) dodges simply do not happen for the likes of me (a humble postman)

Any £50 per year saving by this PSE slight of hand could be absolutely annihilated by what many of us could potentially lose in WTC - IDS was already trying to only let us deduct 50% of our pension contributions for Universal Credit purposes (whereas with the current WTC system its 100%) - so who knows what they have up their sleeves here.
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Re: PSE

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Salary Sacrifice to give PSE its usual name, has been around for 15+ years, so it’s not a new thing. Thousands of employees up and down the country have been saving a bit of NI for years without having any affect on their state pension.

The ‘pension holiday’ that RM took was mainly if not completely for contributions into sections A/B of the scheme and was because at the time the pension had a surplus and that wasn’t allowed under government rules. Yes, they stopped paying in for too long but it wasn’t because they couldn’t afford to pay their contributions.

I think people are reading far too much into PSE! It won’t reduce your state pension because as long as you’re paying NI, you’re building up your qualifying years. A Premier League footballer on £100,000 per week will be paying more NI than most, but they won’t be building up any more basic state pension than a postman on £400 per week.

I don’t know the first thing about Working Tax Credits to be honest, but I would guess that some people will be affected and therefore PSE might not be for them. It’s probably a case of you having to do your homework.
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Re: PSE

Post by Brainache »

wearewolves wrote:
jetblack wrote:How does this impact on posties claims for working tax credit ?

At the minute pension contributions by the employee/postie are deductible from gross salary for WTC calculation purposes.

Of course, IDS is replacing WTC with Universal credit.

I know this much - such ostensibly easy tax (NI) dodges simply do not happen for the likes of me (a humble postman)

Any £50 per year saving by this PSE slight of hand could be absolutely annihilated by what many of us could potentially lose in WTC - IDS was already trying to only let us deduct 50% of our pension contributions for Universal Credit purposes (whereas with the current WTC system its 100%) - so who knows what they have up their sleeves here.
similar postion to you
Income for WTC/CTC might be slightly higher because you are taking home a couple of quid which would have gone into NI. Best thing to do is stuff more into AVC... Less tax, now maybe less NI and more Tax Credits- (in my opinion).

I think IDS floated that idea of stitching us up but was slapped down pretty quick.
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Re: PSE

Post by BB brother »

Im with Dave72 and looking keenly for the catch.
Call me cynical but theres usually a shaft somewhere.