LTB:National Dispute Official Update

[clashcityrocker]

stops outsourcing , people being recruited on inferior terms , protects full time jobs and protects our national agreements including shift pay , sick pay , annual leave entitlement , seniority etc not for 3 years but a minimum of 5 years but with no end date and a review.

What exactly was Angard then?

Which National Agreements does it protect?
Neither RM or the CWU seems interested in following national agreements when it doesn't suit their agenda.
Work all your paid hours?
Mandatory use of delivery equipment?
Holidays not done on seniority?
Working annual leave?
I could go on........and on and on.

[mojothefishmo]

As far as i can see Dingo raises some very valid points ,what is 7 days gonna matter ,if it gives us the deal we are after fantastic if not we are on strike in plenty of time for the xmas rush
People saying they are chucking out of the union do you seriously think youll be better off without them !!!
People need to calm down wait till wed then shout and scream if needed
Plus even if the deal isnt what we want we vote it out simple ,then its back to the negotiations

[robd]

what's interesting is that when the membership were questioned on the consultative ballot,all the questions were scripted.
if they had asked what the real issue was,in my opinion the number one answer would of been workload,ironically this appears to be the real sticking point!
There is a huge amount of frustration at the union,yet as someone mentioned earlier royal mail must be reading this and loving it....i would say far from it,what shocks me is how many are ready to go out on strike,largely because of how they are being treated by the employer,unfortunately you have negotiators on both sides who probably still believe delivery is a doddle,and throwing money(Pay deal) at it quells the problem

[mojothefishmo]

stops outsourcing , people being recruited on inferior terms , protects full time jobs and protects our national agreements including shift pay , sick pay , annual leave entitlement , seniority etc not for 3 years but a minimum of 5 years but with no end date and a review.

What exactly was Angard then?

Which National Agreements does it protect?
Neither RM or the CWU seems interested in following national agreements when it doesn't suit their agenda.
Work all your paid hours?
Mandatory use of delivery equipment?
Holidays not done on seniority?
Working annual leave?
I could go on........and on and on.

You do have a point there sad to say

[Sergeant Blast]

Like everybody else I'm disappointed at another extension. However I'm not prepared to 'hang' the union negotiators until the dust settles and a deal is reached. They are in the best position to make the judgements on what action is in our interests. There are a few on here who need to stop the chest thumping and wind their necks in a little. That and threats to resign from the union etc only plays into RMs hands. Now is the time to back the union, no matter what reservations you may have, rather than kick it somewhere painful. Wait to see the deal before shouting your mouths off.

[borgpicard]

Consideration ?

Is that a joke?

I'm resigning as a rep, this is a joke

Our jobs are unbearable, almost flew for my manager today

f**k it

Out

i`m a rep too, and about to throw the towel in too

[eian687]

even if they get an agreement by the time we vote on it, chances are we wont get any money for xmas

[david1456uk]

Re: Official Update
New postby sussexlad » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:04 pm

dingo wrote:
So progress we got during talks.

1. An improved offer and reward package , wont reveal the percentage but its well above the rejected offer.

2. A pensions agreement which improves on the DC scheme and ensures no further changes until at least 2018.

3. Legal Guarantee underwritten and enforceable through court which stops the break up of Royal Mail , stops franchising , stops outsourcing , people being recruited on inferior terms , protects full times jobs and protects our national agreements including shift pay , sick pay , annual leave entitlement , seniority etc not for 3 years but a minimum of 5 years but with no end date and a review.

4. A charter which protects services and terms and conditions.

5. Industrial stability which does not mean a no strike deal but does mean no executive action.

6. We have made some progress on delivery but nowhere near enough and now both Dave Ward and Mark Higson will now enter the delivery negotiations along with Bob Gibson and Mark Fellows to get an agreement.

Now some of you based on this progress now want to throw away all the progress made in points 1 to 5 by calling a strike action to resolve point 6.

Where as the sensible thing and what the majority members would want is too see whether we get an agreement in the next few days on all issues and dont throw away the progress we have made on pay and legal guarantees.

In the words of a famous song writer lets give peace a chance.


I would settle for all that no problem.



Look at the list !! I d settle for that no problem great post dingo

[Stella102]

Consideration ?

Is that a joke?

I'm resigning as a rep, this is a joke

Our jobs are unbearable, almost flew for my manager today

f**k it

Out

i`m a rep too, and about to throw the towel in too

same here enough is enough.

[cloherty1976]

Dvbuk you obviously did not read my post yesterday.

There are different negotiations , Dave deals with pay , pensions , legal guarantees , charter and the industrial stability.

Terry Pullinger and his team deal with Network , RDCs and Mail Centres.

Ray Ellis deals with Pensions and engineers

Bob Gibson and his team deal with the delivery issues.


For the record Billy has not been in the talks.

Royal Mail have a different team for workplace issues and are headed up by Mike Newby and Peter Walls for the Pay and other issues. Moya has been involved as well.

Dave will join the delivery talks from Friday and so will Mark Higson.

Thank you we have terry pullinger as it looks our deal is sorted but obviously you on delivery have to wait for Dave ward to start your negotiations. Good luck and hopefully deal can be done this year!

[chrisj]

stops outsourcing , people being recruited on inferior terms , protects full time jobs and protects our national agreements including shift pay , sick pay , annual leave entitlement , seniority etc not for 3 years but a minimum of 5 years but with no end date and a review.

What exactly was Angard then?

Which National Agreements does it protect?
Neither RM or the CWU seems interested in following national agreements when it doesn't suit their agenda.
Work all your paid hours?
Mandatory use of delivery equipment?
Holidays not done on seniority?
Working annual leave?
I could go on........and on and on.

You do have a point there sad to say

* I will like to add that Seniority is not something the Union should crow about - what's that about?

** Protect Full time jobs - how? In delivery, we do not always have like for like replacements - more like PT for FT and what is the actual percentage - certainly not 75/25

*** Holidays, Sick Pay, Annual Leave - nice guarantees but RM were probably not going to make much of a change to them anyways

**** Inferior terms for new starters - though not inferior but it is now time served...

***** 3 or 5 year guarantee - what does it really mean in terms of workload and expectations or it is about just the terms above not exactly about working conditions?

****** Pay gone up - we shall find out

******* Pensions might still change in 2018

In delivery Point 6 will actually affect all the other points [/b] and will undermine whatever might have been achieved. For example, more money and more workload cancels out each other. Sick likely to go up... Pensions might not be enough to cover for people being crippled or emotionally strained by the job and so on...

Please, please, tell us what is RM strategy for packet growth. Their strategy so far is to pile more and more and expect us to do the job of Parcel Force at the same time be the friendly local postie that delivers regular letters as well as crappy direct mail and households.

Below is just the returns for one day - including oversized, medium and regular sized packets, specials and recorded letters and packets. It is a joke it is not even Xmas yet.

[clashcityrocker]

Below is just the returns for one day - including oversized, medium and regular sized packets, specials and recorded letters and packets. It is a joke it is not even Xmas yet.

You obviously aren't trying enough neighbours..............

[cloherty1976]

Chrisj what do you reckon then maybe they have taken the in between inflation out of the pay deal and I reckon still under 9% instead of 8.6%?

[5plusbonusball]

I reckon the extra 7 days is so rm can get an injunction and ban all strikes before christmas. Poor . Too busy to cope now.

[knackeredjointsRUS]

stops outsourcing , people being recruited on inferior terms , protects full time jobs and protects our national agreements including shift pay , sick pay , annual leave entitlement , seniority etc not for 3 years but a minimum of 5 years but with no end date and a review.

What exactly was Angard then?

Which National Agreements does it protect?
Neither RM or the CWU seems interested in following national agreements when it doesn't suit their agenda.
Work all your paid hours?
Mandatory use of delivery equipment?
Holidays not done on seniority?
Working annual leave?
I could go on........and on and on.

You do have a point there sad to say

* I will like to add that Seniority is not something the Union should crow about - what's that about?

** Protect Full time jobs - how? In delivery, we do not always have like for like replacements - more like PT for FT and what is the actual percentage - certainly not 75/25

*** Holidays, Sick Pay, Annual Leave - nice guarantees but RM were probably not going to make much of a change to them anyways

**** Inferior terms for new starters - though not inferior but it is now time served...

***** 3 or 5 year guarantee - what does it really mean in terms of workload and expectations or it is about just the terms above not exactly about working conditions?

****** Pay gone up - we shall find out

******* Pensions might still change in 2018

In delivery Point 6 will actually affect all the other points [/b] and will undermine whatever might have been achieved. For example, more money and more workload cancels out each other. Sick likely to go up... Pensions might not be enough to cover for people being crippled or emotionally strained by the job and so on...

Please, please, tell us what is RM strategy for packet growth. Their strategy so far is to pile more and more and expect us to do the job of Parcel Force at the same time be the friendly local postie that delivers regular letters as well as crappy direct mail and households.

Below is just the returns for one day - including oversized, medium and regular sized packets, specials and recorded letters and packets. It is a joke it is not even Xmas yet.

Well said also the pic resembles our van on a daily basis too...