TNT

[Lounge Lizard]

Black and Orange, are TNT's lack of "the rigorous checks and requirements set to be employed by Royal Mail" and their acceptance of your "less than appatising background and work history" part of the reasons for them being able to pay a much lower hourly rate ?

[BlackAndOrange]

Black and Orange, are TNT's lack of "the rigorous checks and requirements set to be employed by Royal Mail" and their acceptance of your "less than appatising background and work history" part of the reasons for them being able to pay a much lower hourly rate ?

I wouldn't imagine so... TNT do require criminal record checks and references, but they're willing to give people a chance, theft, fraud and (an uncommon criminal term for "lying") are not accepted... but they won't deem you an unemployable untrustworthy criminal if you did something like, let's say... crashed your car and sped away in a panic 5 years ago or was caught having a rondevu with maryjane by your local bobby, maybe somebody got lippy on a night out 2 years back and you got nicked for giving him a goodhiding and did some community service maybe even a month of porridge... unlike Royal Mail who wouldn't give you a sniff at a job for something like that.

Regardless, I don't think hourly pay as a postie has anything to do with having a 1 year work history or 30 year work history, or whether or not you've been convicted of a crime, I think it has more to do with the company finances, profit/expenses...

Besides, at TNT if you're up to it, fit enough and willing to work extra hard, there's some tasty bonus's to be earned, it's 2 rounds/day but say if you can complete 3 or even 4 a day for a a full month then you'll be looking at a nice 1900/2100 after tax, there's some lads already doing that in London, spoke to one myself on a training day.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

next month RM will lose its tax exemption on stamps, and then the sky is the limit for competitors it will truly be an open playing field.

If Royal Mail lose that battle then TNT and all the other competitors will HAVE to raise their prices, and/or take over the USO.

The VAT Exemption is used IIRC on only items we have to deliver under that obligation. If the VAT exemption is removed and nothing is put in place to protect the USO then the economy will take a real hit, can't see even the Conservatives allowing that.

There is a USO, it has to be fulfilled and it has to be compensated for. There are 3 main choices

1. Royal Mail or any USO provider gets VAT exemption (or subsidies) on items covered by it.
2. Every Postal Company in the market, TNT, CityLink , all the DSA companies - pays into a fund to support the USO provider.
3. Every Postal Company has to offer E2E for the whole country.

The first is the current system. Choices 2 and 3 will cost more for TNT and while it may improve competition, the margins will be a lot tighter than now, and it will lead to instability and company failures albeit at different rates.

Nick Wells is playing a long game, he isn't expecting to win next month as its the nuclear option and will hurt his business. He is just trying to perpetuate the lie that Royal Mail is the big bully on the block, and his company is the upstart little kid that can't get a chance. This way any freedoms that Royal Mail try to get, or if they try to muscle in on the other markets that TNT are involved in, it will be a little more difficult for RM, and a little easier for TNT to get a sympathetic hearing.

He is a canny and intelligent man, stupid he ain't, and if he can let the Government pay with VAT exemption, instead of him paying into a fund - he will do.

[janitor]

May be TNT need to get there DSA house in order before they start trying to play postman. I had a letter from BT take 18 days to arrive, and and a lot of other post that come through them takes longer than it used to under RM E2E, yes it could be the delay is in the RM end, but other DSA companies seem to manage.

[UnhappyGremlin]

surely the op is trolling?
if he thinks he will be better off with TNT then he is mistaken.
zero hours and minimum wage,thats what we are fighting to protect,and worse case scenario would be to end up like the poor posties at tnt.

The disadvantages of a zero hour contract depends entirely on the company you're working for...

I've been told to generally expect as many hours as I'm legally able to work... and I'll never be short of full time hours, TNT is expanding for a reason.

And of course, there are opportunities within the company to progress on from the zero hour contract all new employees will be starting on,

However, when you're working for Royal Mail, and you go from full time onto a zero hour contract (which will be happening after 3 years), THAT is a worrying sign, that is going backwards...
As your position at Royal Mail is "securish" for 3 years... after that do you really think the new owners will still be paying you £10/hour? Not a chance.

The way I see it is TNT Post UK are showing signs of rapid growth and expansion, the Royal Mail is in bits with an unclear future... of course TNT is a hotter prospect and more exciting to work for, it goes without saying...

Take your extra 3 quid an hour, the best TNT posties will still be cashing out more than you at the end of the month because of the TNT bonus system... but even those who don't aim to smash bonus's, a grand/month in the bank is still a grand/month in the bank, especially when working for a much more prosperous company.

Well, they're hardly likely to get a large uptake by telling the truth, are they?
Did you not watch dispatches? TNT posties having their days cut short so the managers could save money.
You obviously have no idea about RM either.
The place runs on overtime. I could do as many hours as I like and cash out way more than you ever could.
Royal mail isn't in bits in any way shape or form.
Though, that's not to say it might be if they are the subject of a take over bid.

And as for going from a FT job to zero hours contract, won't happen. They may try it, but I won't accept it. I'd sooner leave and stack shelves in a supermarket.

TNT posties in London seem to disagree, they're working to exhaustion, some of them are earning 2K/month working maximum hours and smashing bonus rounds.

It is a fact that Royal Mail posties will be in zero hour contracts and minimum wage in 3 years... Royal Mail wouldn't be able to compete otherwise, TNT is scooping up business mail contracts and Royal Mail is left delivering birthday cards and jail mail, companies are turning away from good old Royal Mail and are eyeing up the more stylish, younger TNT post UK with their cheaper prices and recorded delivery as standard... it's already happened in London and Manchester, like I said that is the tip of the iceberg, TNT have 5 more years of expanding to come.

Royal Mail posties seem to be really kept in the dark about this, a lot of you are under the impression that you're just transitioning from government to private, but it's much more complicated than that... Royal Mail are losing contracts left, right and center, next month RM will lose its tax exemption on stamps, and then the sky is the limit for competitors it will truly be an open playing field... TNT has been preparing for this moment for years in advance.

Royal Mail have been making a lot of noise about it in the past year, do a bit of research..

‘The postal industry is undergoing great change,’ said TNT Post chief executive Nick Wells.

But Royal Mail has accused its rival of cherry picking the most lucrative places – such as heavily populated urban areas – to deliver in.
Meanwhile Royal Mail is left having to fulfil a legal obligation to deliver post everywhere, six days a week.

Do a bit of research yourself.
You are entirely clueless about RM and it's plans for the future. To the point you are deluded.

As for a truly open playing field, that is exactly what RM wants. It will be more detrimental to the likes of TNT than it ever will RM. And the fact you don't understand that, is proof of the ignorance other companies and their employees have about RM.
RM have won back contracts in recent years. We still do most of the work for the likes of TNT, at a reduced price.
TNT and the likes have been cherry picking contracts, because that's the only way they can make money.
We can't undercut them BY LAW, Ofcom and the USO prevents us. But if we could, RM would obliterate TNT, and the rest.
You are also unaware that, as time passes, and TNT expands its operations, then they will also move closer to having the USO (even in a watered down form) forced upon them. And I know they could never cope with that.

If you think RM posties are in the dark about what to expect, you really are talking out of your arse.
We know what privatisation means, we have many previous examples to look at. We know we won't be any different.

Rather than coming on here and trolling, why not have all your new TNT colleagues join the CWU, and instead of our wages dropping to your level, yours could rise to ours.
Then you wouldn't need to work 80 hours a week to live.

[Lounge Lizard]

surely the op is trolling?
if he thinks he will be better off with TNT then he is mistaken.
zero hours and minimum wage,thats what we are fighting to protect,and worse case scenario would be to end up like the poor posties at tnt.

The disadvantages of a zero hour contract depends entirely on the company you're working for...

I've been told to generally expect as many hours as I'm legally able to work... and I'll never be short of full time hours, TNT is expanding for a reason.

And of course, there are opportunities within the company to progress on from the zero hour contract all new employees will be starting on,

However, when you're working for Royal Mail, and you go from full time onto a zero hour contract (which will be happening after 3 years), THAT is a worrying sign, that is going backwards...
As your position at Royal Mail is "securish" for 3 years... after that do you really think the new owners will still be paying you £10/hour? Not a chance.

The way I see it is TNT Post UK are showing signs of rapid growth and expansion, the Royal Mail is in bits with an unclear future... of course TNT is a hotter prospect and more exciting to work for, it goes without saying...

Take your extra 3 quid an hour, the best TNT posties will still be cashing out more than you at the end of the month because of the TNT bonus system... but even those who don't aim to smash bonus's, a grand/month in the bank is still a grand/month in the bank, especially when working for a much more prosperous company.

Well, they're hardly likely to get a large uptake by telling the truth, are they?
Did you not watch dispatches? TNT posties having their days cut short so the managers could save money.
You obviously have no idea about RM either.
The place runs on overtime. I could do as many hours as I like and cash out way more than you ever could.
Royal mail isn't in bits in any way shape or form.
Though, that's not to say it might be if they are the subject of a take over bid.

And as for going from a FT job to zero hours contract, won't happen. They may try it, but I won't accept it. I'd sooner leave and stack shelves in a supermarket.

TNT posties in London seem to disagree, they're working to exhaustion, some of them are earning 2K/month working maximum hours and smashing bonus rounds.

It is a fact that Royal Mail posties will be in zero hour contracts and minimum wage in 3 years... Royal Mail wouldn't be able to compete otherwise, TNT is scooping up business mail contracts and Royal Mail is left delivering birthday cards and jail mail, companies are turning away from good old Royal Mail and are eyeing up the more stylish, younger TNT post UK with their cheaper prices and recorded delivery as standard... it's already happened in London and Manchester, like I said that is the tip of the iceberg, TNT have 5 more years of expanding to come.

Royal Mail posties seem to be really kept in the dark about this, a lot of you are under the impression that you're just transitioning from government to private, but it's much more complicated than that... Royal Mail are losing contracts left, right and center, next month RM will lose its tax exemption on stamps, and then the sky is the limit for competitors it will truly be an open playing field... TNT has been preparing for this moment for years in advance.

Royal Mail have been making a lot of noise about it in the past year, do a bit of research..

‘The postal industry is undergoing great change,’ said TNT Post chief executive Nick Wells.

But Royal Mail has accused its rival of cherry picking the most lucrative places – such as heavily populated urban areas – to deliver in.
Meanwhile Royal Mail is left having to fulfil a legal obligation to deliver post everywhere, six days a week.

Do a bit of research yourself.
You are entirely clueless about RM and it's plans for the future. To the point you are deluded.

As for a truly open playing field, that is exactly what RM wants. It will be more detrimental to the likes of TNT than it ever will RM. And the fact you don't understand that, is proof of the ignorance other companies and their employees have about RM.
RM have won back contracts in recent years. We still do most of the work for the likes of TNT, at a reduced price.
TNT and the likes have been cherry picking contracts, because that's the only way they can make money.
We can't undercut them BY LAW, Ofcom and the USO prevents us. But if we could, RM would obliterate TNT, and the rest.
You are also unaware that, as time passes, and TNT expands its operations, then they will also move closer to having the USO (even in a watered down form) forced upon them. And I know they could never cope with that.

If you think RM posties are in the dark about what to expect, you really are talking out of your arse.
We know what privatisation means, we have many previous examples to look at. We know we won't be any different.

Rather than coming on here and trolling, why not have all your new TNT colleagues join the CWU, and instead of our wages dropping to your level, yours could rise to ours.
Then you wouldn't need to work 80 hours a week to live.

It's rare to hear on here from someone working from a competitor and I suggest that BlackAndOrange is NOT 'trolling' and that his comments, some of which of course we won't agree with, can be of interest to us and potentially useful.

[Lounge Lizard]

Me Too

Indeed. That's 2 out of 52,194.

[rhino49]

I have no problem with TNT being on the same streets as me - they will get a pleasant good day from me as do others who think they are competing with us as a business - a very well liked ex colleague has gone to work for them so I would not wish to spoil the image of the local postie that he has given to the other TNT guys.

Let's however be realistic here Blackandrange, fishing for controversial comments is not a good way to start your involvement with this forum - it is here in most respects to help and advise, as I would do if you stopped me on your delivery and asked for information.

Whatever you do as a new business - we are already doing MUCH better, MUCH longer and with much more local knowledge. Your business WILL treat you as ours would like to - the only difference is a protective union and a large experienced workforce that seeks to preserve our conditions.

Working or scrabbling your way up the pecking order may give you the job security you seek but does nothing for those (the majority) who you may leave behind. I have no doubt that the CWU will approach TNT staff to make a case for membership and it's advantages. Union membership nowadays is about protection - not revolution and the misery and uncertainty of a zero hour contract is not acceptable in a world where ladders leading upwards are frequently pulled from under you by rising prices and greedy employers. Please come back regularly but reserve your glorification of your business until you have had some experience of it .

[meweavy]

It will be interesting to hear how black and orange gets on at tnt, in terms of hours, wage and management.
As much as royal mails future frightens me, it will be interesting to see how he/she gets on at tnt.
As this could very well be how we work and get paid in a few years.
@black and orange.
Dont be a stranger and please let us know how you get on at tnt?.

[BlackAndOrange]

It will be interesting to hear how black and orange gets on at tnt, in terms of hours, wage and management.
As much as royal mails future frightens me, it will be interesting to see how he/she gets on at tnt.
As this could very well be how we work and get paid in a few years.
@black and orange.
Dont be a stranger and please let us know how you get on at tnt?.

I will do mate, still here.. still reading.

[Postaltony]

Let's face it, TNT do not give a true national end to end service, one price anywhere in the uk as Royal Mail do. Aka the USO.
TNT just poach what they perceive to be the most profitable and most cost effective areas. They do not deliver to every street 6 days a week. They have not got strict rules to follow which the regulator enforces. If they had all this then it would be a different story, and maybe in months and years to come the reality of the work TNT are poaching and the strict regulation will come around and bite them in the arse.

[*xen*]

So.....BlackAndOrange, six months into the job with TNT. How's it going?

[raikky]

U still there orange? Tell us hows it going

[*xen*]

Maybe he's gone.

Or maybe he's too exhausted to post due to working maximum hours, smashing bonus rounds and earning 2K/month.

Seemed a bit naïve if I'm honest.

[baldrick]

TNT are now delivering in my area (NW London). Saw one guy out delivering at 4pm on Saturday.