MAIL CENTRES AND DISTRIBUTION - AFTER PRIVATISATION

[hans solo]

heard this from senior mgmt in scotland
mail centres will be sold off completely after privatisation to competition companies ie tnt uk mail
there will be no mail centres under rm
this will enable lower wages to be introduced and complete pt working
will also enable pension funding on lower scales of pay to retiring employees
distrubution will also be sold off completely
again with the sole aim of reducing higher pay rates for proffesional drivers
the only jobs left within rm will be delivery
whose terms and conditions will be constantly attacked undermined by private enterprise to ensure a pt delivery function on much lower wages.
what part are rm not telling cwu in talks dingo

[db]

heard this from senior mgmt in scotland
mail centres will be sold off completely after privatisation to competition companies ie tnt uk mail
there will be no mail centres under rm
this will enable lower wages to be introduced and complete pt working
will also enable pension funding on lower scales of pay to retiring employees
distrubution will also be sold off completely
again with the sole aim of reducing higher pay rates for proffesional drivers
the only jobs left within rm will be delivery
whose terms and conditions will be constantly attacked undermined by private enterprise to ensure a pt delivery function on much lower wages.
what part are rm not telling cwu in talks dingo

How does he know more than moya?!

[Red Robbo]

What happened to TUPE ?

[motch]

heard this from senior mgmt in scotland
mail centres will be sold off completely after privatisation to competition companies ie tnt uk mail
there will be no mail centres under rm
this will enable lower wages to be introduced and complete pt working
will also enable pension funding on lower scales of pay to retiring employees
distrubution will also be sold off completely
again with the sole aim of reducing higher pay rates for proffesional drivers
the only jobs left within rm will be delivery
whose terms and conditions will be constantly attacked undermined by private enterprise to ensure a pt delivery function on much lower wages.
what part are rm not telling cwu in talks dingo

How does he know more than moya?!

............perhaps she ainta telling.....

[UnhappyGremlin]

There was a rumour a few years ago , when TNT were favoured to buy us out, that they would transfer all distribution to their drivers, as they were on minimum wage, and, I don't think, got any shift allowances, which would have saved over £150 per week per driver. And as we saw with Tesco last year, they contracted Eddie Stobart to do their distribution (at least in part), and transferred their drivers over to be given new contracts on national minimum wage, which they (the drivers) disputed and went on strike for as they dropped well over £100 per week in wages. Don't know what the result was though.

I would say it is certainly possible, probably will happen. RM employees out, new staff on minimum wages, which would provide big savings. It may take time, but, as has been happening for a while now in reality, f/t jobs will go, to be replaced with more p/t and a new tier of staff on minimum wage.

MC closures are on going, and I know that some are not able to cope with the increase level of mail from the MC's they have 'absorbed' work from. It has been suggested that RM will have to either re-open some or open new ones, but not with current RM staff, with new recruits, whose pay will be low, no allowances, and shite T's & C's.

[db]

There was a rumour a few years ago , when TNT were favoured to buy us out, that they would transfer all distribution to their drivers, as they were on minimum wage, and, I don't think, got any shift allowances, which would have saved over £150 per week per driver. And as we saw with Tesco last year, they contracted Eddie Stobart to do their distribution (at least in part), and transferred their drivers over to be given new contracts on national minimum wage, which they (the drivers) disputed and went on strike for as they dropped well over £100 per week in wages. Don't know what the result was though.

I would say it is certainly possible, probably will happen. RM employees out, new staff on minimum wages, which would provide big savings. It may take time, but, as has been happening for a while now in reality, f/t jobs will go, to be replaced with more p/t and a new tier of staff on minimum wage.

MC closures are on going, and I know that some are not able to cope with the increase level of mail from the MC's they have 'absorbed' work from. It has been suggested that RM will have to either re-open some or open new ones, but not with current RM staff, with new recruits, whose pay will be low, no allowances, and shite T's & C's.

Luckily there is employmet laws to stop most of this happening!

[Martin Walsh]

Hans I think the manager is spinning you a line. At the moment Vince Cable and Michael Fallon does not want to split the company as clearly this will impact the USO where over 66% of the costs are in actually delivering the final mile. Allowing others to buy the Network and mail centres would simply mean that the costs to deliver the final mile would increase meaning that Royal Mail would become even less profitable.

Moya has also announced at her events and the bIrmingham events and to the CWU she wants to only sell shares to the British public and to pension funds and she does not support any break up of the company. Whilst she has been talking to pension funds who invest in the long term she does not believe she will know until the October whether anyone wants to invest in a company which has a 9 billion turnover but makes a profit of less than 100 million and with a new pension problem.

Most of the city think Royal Mail is a basket case with competition and the decline in letters and that the companies business plan BT2010 has now been downdialed on 4 seperate occasions.

[POSTMAN]

Interesting...

Privatise US mail collection and processing, says white paper

“Virtually all” upstream postal activity in the United States should be handled by the private sector, leaving USPS to provide only a last mile delivery network, according to a new white paper...

http://postandparcel.info/54425/news/re ... ite-paper/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Danelectro]

Hans I think the manager is spinning you a line. At the moment Vince Cable and Michael Fallon does not want to split the company as clearly this will impact the USO where over 66% of the costs are in actually delivering the final mile. Allowing others to buy the Network and mail centres would simply mean that the costs to deliver the final mile would increase meaning that Royal Mail would become even less profitable.

Moya has also announced at her events and the bIrmingham events and to the CWU she wants to only sell shares to the British public and to pension funds and she does not support any break up of the company. Whilst she has been talking to pension funds who invest in the long term she does not believe she will know until the October whether anyone wants to invest in a company which has a 9 billion turnover but makes a profit of less than 100 million and with a new pension problem.

Most of the city think Royal Mail is a basket case with competition and the decline in letters and that the companies business plan BT2010 has now been downdialed on 4 seperate occasions.

Since when has a Royal Mail chief executives word been their bond? The idea that Moya Greene is some sort of ally to postal workers is something I take with a pinch of salt.She wants to privatise Royal Mail no? She wants to attract private investment and create shareholders who will want a return on their investment rather than government borrowing which is usually available at lower rates of interest.PPI and all the failed introduction of competition into formerly nationalised industries has been a disaster.Give me 5 reasons why we should trust anything she says.

[Martin Walsh]

So dan you take the word of faceless senior manager from Scotland instead of the Dave Ward and Billy Hayes who have met with Vince Cable and Michael Fallon and have met with Moya on numerous occasions and yes she does want to privitiase Royal Mail but she does not want to break up the industry as that makes no sense.

Equally the CWU have employed a PR company who has links in the city hence the fact that there is no major intrest from the city for buying a stake in Royal Mail.

I do know both Billy and Dave and take their word over the words of some senior manager in Scotland especially as the most senior manager in Scotland is from London.

[barrowc]

Interesting...

Privatise US mail collection and processing, says white paper

“Virtually all” upstream postal activity in the United States should be handled by the private sector, leaving USPS to provide only a last mile delivery network, according to a new white paper...

http://postandparcel.info/54425/news/re ... ite-paper/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The phrase which caught my eye was "The paper issued today by the nonpartisan think tank National Academy of Public Administration – and financially supported by one of the largest private sector companies processing US mail " (which seems to have been Pitney Bowes.) Doesn't exactly sound like an unbiased report to me. Equally it's the kind of nonsense which politicians seem to accept uncritically

[TrueBlueTerrier]

And as we saw with Tesco last year, they contracted Eddie Stobart to do their distribution (at least in part), and transferred their drivers over to be given new contracts on national minimum wage, which they (the drivers) disputed and went on strike for as they dropped well over £100 per week in wages. Don't know what the result was though.

Stobart lorry driver dispute ends in redundancy deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-so ... e-20717386" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Striking lorry drivers in Doncaster The lorry drivers had been on indefinite strike since 6 December

An indefinite strike by lorry drivers in South Yorkshire has ended with a deal reached with employer Eddie Stobart.

Members of the Unite unite walked out of the Tesco distribution centre in Doncaster on 6 December, but have now accepted an improved redundancy offer.

The long-running dispute began in September after Eddie Stobart announced potential job losses.

Unite said 180 drivers will be made redundant on 4 January.

National officer Adrian Jones said: "The redundancy financial package has been substantially improved, and... none of our members have to go back to work for this employer.

"They just do not want to work for Eddie Stobart, it's a company they feel very strongly about."

The company took over from Tesco as the drivers' employer in August.

David Pickering, Eddie Stobart managing director, said: "Since the start of September, we've worked diligently and professionally to come up with the best possible package for the drivers and to provide a range of alternative employment options.

"It's a positive way to resolve the dispute and I'm extremely pleased for all parties that the drivers have accepted our latest offer."

[Danelectro]

So dan you take the word of faceless senior manager from Scotland instead of the Dave Ward and Billy Hayes who have met with Vince Cable and Michael Fallon and have met with Moya on numerous occasions and yes she does want to privitiase Royal Mail but she does not want to break up the industry as that makes no sense.

Equally the CWU have employed a PR company who has links in the city hence the fact that there is no major intrest from the city for buying a stake in Royal Mail.

I do know both Billy and Dave and take their word over the words of some senior manager in Scotland especially as the most senior manager in Scotland is from London.

No thats not what I said.I said why should we trust anything Moya Greene says,she didnt get where she is today by keeping trade unions in the loop.I never mentioned Billy or Dave.You say that yes she does want to privatise Royal mail but does not want to break up the industry as that makes no sense.I thought the CWU position was that privatising Royal Mail makes no sense.I also understand that if it is privatised then we have to work within that context but we arent there yet.

[UnhappyGremlin]

There was a rumour a few years ago , when TNT were favoured to buy us out, that they would transfer all distribution to their drivers, as they were on minimum wage, and, I don't think, got any shift allowances, which would have saved over £150 per week per driver. And as we saw with Tesco last year, they contracted Eddie Stobart to do their distribution (at least in part), and transferred their drivers over to be given new contracts on national minimum wage, which they (the drivers) disputed and went on strike for as they dropped well over £100 per week in wages. Don't know what the result was though.

I would say it is certainly possible, probably will happen. RM employees out, new staff on minimum wages, which would provide big savings. It may take time, but, as has been happening for a while now in reality, f/t jobs will go, to be replaced with more p/t and a new tier of staff on minimum wage.

MC closures are on going, and I know that some are not able to cope with the increase level of mail from the MC's they have 'absorbed' work from. It has been suggested that RM will have to either re-open some or open new ones, but not with current RM staff, with new recruits, whose pay will be low, no allowances, and shite T's & C's.

Luckily there is employmet laws to stop most of this happening!

Don't know much about this sort if thing, but I have been told that, if privatised, they would attempt to essentially tear up our contracts and re-hire us all on minimum wage. So, even if we are privatised bit part so to say, then I can certainly see this sort of thing happening. After all, the general concensus/attitude we seem to be getting from management is, you should be thankful you have a job.

[SpacePhoenix]

After all, the general concensus/attitude we seem to be getting from management is, you should be thankful you have a job.

If we get privatised then I wouldn't be surprised to see apart from an office manager (DOM/MCM), all other managers will be made team leaders with whatever the OPG payrate ends up being with say I don't know £15 leadership allowance.