Tragedy strikes

sadlersbitch · Post by **sadlersbitch** » 26 Jul 2007, 19:25

Police arrest Royal Mail manager involved in fatal collision online only
A post office manager driving a Royal Mail articulated lorry was involved in a fatal accident in Exeter this morning.

The collision, which occurred at 6.30am on the A379 Bridge Road, killed the 53-year old driver of an Astra van, and injured his passenger.

Police have arrested the driver of the lorry, a 46 year-old man from Newton Abbot, on suspicion of causing death by careless driving, and investigations are ongoing. No one has been charged at this stage.

Devon and Cornwall police told Socialist Worker that driving conditions at that time were not unduly hazardous.

A rep at the Exeter mail centre told Socialist Worker that there has been a spate of accidents involving managers and Royal Mail vehicles on strike days.

â€œLast week several vehicles being driven by managers at Exeter had their wing mirrors broken and one van was backed into a building in Plymouth. While on the picket line we even witnessed a lorry being driven by a manager with its tailgate down â€“ which is potentially extremely dangerous,â€

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 26 Jul 2007, 19:41

Condolences to the family of the man driving the van and here's hoping for a quick recovery for his passenger.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 26 Jul 2007, 19:44

Yes I second that.

ulster postie · Post by **ulster postie** » 26 Jul 2007, 19:45

MY DEEPEST SYMPATHY TO THE VICTIMS FAMILY BUT IF THIS REPORT IS TRUE I HOPE THIS SENDS A VERRY STRONG MESSAGE TO THE TO As . TRYING TO BRAKE A STRIKE IS ONE THING BUT CORPORATE MANSLAUTHTER IS ANOTHER

sadlersbitch · Post by **sadlersbitch** » 26 Jul 2007, 19:46

my thoughts are with his family
heres hoping his passenger makes a full recovery

sadlersbitch · Post by **sadlersbitch** » 26 Jul 2007, 19:54

Man is arrested over fatal crash
A man has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by careless driving following a crash in Devon in which one person died.
An Astra van and a lorry collided on the A379 Bridge Road in Exeter on Thursday morning.

A 56-year-old man from Exeter travelling in the van was seriously injured and later died in hospital.

A 46-year-old man from Newton Abbot was arrested and is being held at Heavitree Road Police Station.

The Countess Wear and the Matford roundabouts have been closed for several hours to allow police to examine the scene and vehicle recovery.

The deceased's next-of-kin have been informed.

THIS IS ON THE BBC NEWS WEBSITE

Spedley · Post by **Spedley** » 26 Jul 2007, 20:02

This is an accident that should not have happened.

It show that although we are on strike there is a lot of pressure on managers to get the job done.
Managers are not strike breakers, they are not part of the Union (at least ours aren't) and it is not their strike.

Fortunately, my being on strike does not make me to blame in any way for the tragedy in Exeter
I hope the press don't spin it against us.

DirtyHarry · Post by **DirtyHarry** » 26 Jul 2007, 20:09

So , we can now add corporate manslaughter to the never ending list of adverse consequences in having two men
totally unfit , totally unsuited , totally incompetant , in charge of a public service.

My condolances to the family of the man who died , and my best wishes to the passenger for a speedy recovery.

ROCKY · Post by **ROCKY** » 26 Jul 2007, 21:01

that things have come to this please please people get talking my condolances to those affected by this tragedy

billypants · Post by **billypants** » 26 Jul 2007, 21:21

The usual cheapskate ways of Royal Mail, trying to get the job done without paying out for the properly trained people what they are worth, has had the worst possible consiquences. None of us gain any pleasure from this tragic proof of Royal Mails lack of understanding of the job we all do.

Our thoughts lay with all concerned

Post by **Jonboy** » 26 Jul 2007, 21:39

on behalf of our branch and Members we are truly sorry about the Tragedy caused by the management and idiots that try to control RM for their own pollitical goals!!!!!
They should not not have performed a duty they cannot fulfill to the correct standards of professional drivers of RM.
who instructed them to perform the duty=MCM via :lfo :cfo this should not happen to our customers or anyone.

tommymac · Post by **tommymac** » 26 Jul 2007, 21:40

billy pants wrote:The usual cheapskate ways of Royal Mail, trying to get the job done without paying out for the properly trained people what they are worth, has had the worst possible consequences. None of us gain any pleasure from this tragic proof of Royal Mails lack of understanding of the job we all do.

Our thoughts lay with all concerned

Spot on Billy. A sad time for all. A situation that could have been avoided but for RM's obsession with profit and savings.

krooserman1802 · Post by **krooserman1802** » 26 Jul 2007, 22:10

Condolences to the families etc, but I bet you this manager volunteered to do this run. We have seen managers jumping to the front of the queue to do our work thinking it will make them heroes. Well this is what happens from the big I am to zero in a flash.

I also have to disagree with an earlier post about managers not being strike breakers. I recognise that they are there to do THEIR job not ours. If they go into work and do nothing but their own work then that it okay, the minute they start doing ours they are strike breakers. What about all the people they bused in agianst the miners or Grunwicks, I bet half of them never worked for the companies, but they went in to do striking workers jobs...they are strike breakers.

My thoughts are also with the family of that manager as they will have a difficult time as well.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 26 Jul 2007, 22:23

krooserman1802 wrote:Condolences to the families etc, but I bet you this manager volunteered to do this run. We have seen managers jumping to the front of the queue to do our work thinking it will make them heroes. Well this is what happens from the big I am to zero in a flash.

This is true. One of our screws was absolutely delighted when the first strike date was announced hoping he would be driving a lorry up and down the motorway, something he hasn't done for seven years. Like the rest of them, they see strike days as a big adventure and a huge laugh. If any good comes out of this tragedy, it will be these irresponsible people taking a step back and considering what their actions might result in, all to score a few brownie points before those up the pecking order.

krooserman1802 wrote:I also have to disagree with an earlier post about managers not being strike breakers. I recognise that they are there to do THEIR job not ours. If they go into work and do nothing but their own work then that it okay, the minute they start doing ours they are strike breakers. What about all the people they bused in agianst the miners or Grunwicks, I bet half of them never worked for the companies, but they went in to do striking workers jobs...they are strike breakers.

I have to agree with you there as well. They're all very willing strike breakers who glory in the fact as a quick look at ****mail shows.

krooserman1802 wrote:My thoughts are also with the family of that manager as they will have a difficult time as well.

Yes, they don't deserve this any more than the family of the van driver. It will be a very worrying time for them and something which will probably never be far from their thoughts for the rest of their lives.

Post by **Jonboy** » 26 Jul 2007, 22:27

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
krooserman1802 wrote:Condolences to the families etc, but I bet you this manager volunteered to do this run. We have seen managers jumping to the front of the queue to do our work thinking it will make them heroes. Well this is what happens from the big I am to zero in a flash.
This is true. One of our screws was absolutely delighted when the first strike date was announced hoping he would be driving a lorry up and down the motorway, something he hasn't done for seven years. Like the rest of them, they see strike days as a big adventure and a huge laugh. If any good comes out of this tragedy, it will be these irresponsible people taking a step back and considering what their actions might result in, all to score a few brownie points before those up the pecking order.

krooserman1802 wrote:I also have to disagree with an earlier post about managers not being strike breakers. I recognise that they are there to do THEIR job not ours. If they go into work and do nothing but their own work then that it okay, the minute they start doing ours they are strike breakers. What about all the people they bused in agianst the miners or Grunwicks, I bet half of them never worked for the companies, but they went in to do striking workers jobs...they are strike breakers.
I have to agree with you there as well. They're all very willing strike breakers who glory in the fact as a quick look at ****mail shows.

krooserman1802 wrote:My thoughts are also with the family of that manager as they will have a difficult time as well.
Yes, they don't deserve this any more than the family of the van driver. It will be a very worrying time for them and something which will probably never be far from their thoughts for the rest of their lives.

Totally agree he must regret it all