dinosaurs living in the past

[mailman337]

Well said Mike, I think you are a bit OTT with the 'monkeys' but I get the idea.

Going by the replies they don't like to hear real public opinion, only that of the sheep who can't think for themselves.

What gets to me, is that every time PO want to make a change in the way they work, the union want more money for it.
Why can’t they just do what they are paid for, and deliver the post, the way you are told!

Luddite....its not about money. And one observation i have is that the people moaning about industrial action are going to be the first people moaning when post starts getting delivered at 4pm. Which is one of the things Royal Mail want to do

"Not about money" no it's about having to work for your money the way the RM (your bosses, who pay you) want you to work.
It would not bother me what time the post is delivered, the thing is, I work ALL day, thats leave home at 6.30 am and return most days at 6.30 pm.
When I am at work, like most people, I do whever I am told, I dont care what I do, I am paid each week and work hard for my money, no problems.
I know some ex postmen, and I understand the RM is not a good place to work, as you all hate the management and the management treat you like sh*t. I must say it's easy to understand why, when I read of the attitude in these forums.

Like it or not, things are going to change, so stop moaning, get your heads down and get on with your work.

What is your occupation then ? ....... To reiterate a few words used in the past, feudalism died a long time ago so dont come on here with your superior bourgeois attitudes if you have nothing constructive or sensible to add, be aware you are referring to decent people here who are trying to protect a public service revered by the vast majority of the UK population, we are not serfdom and we won't be treated that way.
:cfo :cfo :cfo :mfo :mfo :mfo

[luddite123]

What is your occupation then ? ....... To reiterate a few words used in the past, feudalism died a long time ago so dont come on here with your superior bourgeois attitudes if you have nothing constructive or sensible to add, be aware you are referring to decent people here who are trying to protect a public service revered by the vast majority of the UK population, we are not serfdom and we won't be treated that way.
:cfo :cfo :cfo :mfo :mfo :mfo

My occupation? I'm a carpenter, I get well paid for that because I have a skill, I spent best part 5 years in an aprenticship to gain that skill.
If I don't like my work I move on, I don't moan about it.

As for "trying to protect a public service" that is bull, this is strike is about trying to hang onto the past.
It's the same with all employers these days, they want as much work out of you as they can get, for the money, you can't blame them for that.

Dave Ward's letter to Mark Higson dated 13.10.09 is very enlightening, how can he seriously expect the RM to roll over and agree to any of that guff.

Things do change, you and the CWU can't stop it, the RM will decide how it wants to change it's bussiness not the CWU, thats how bussiness works.

Don't get me wrong, I think the postal system we have is superb, most of my 1st class mail arrives next day, I don't mind what time, as long as it arrives.

I'm sure a deal will come out of these negotiations, and as usual both sides will have a different interpretation of what was agreed, which means you will all be on strike again in 18 months time! Hey ho..................

[mailman337]

What is your occupation then ? ....... To reiterate a few words used in the past, feudalism died a long time ago so dont come on here with your superior bourgeois attitudes if you have nothing constructive or sensible to add, be aware you are referring to decent people here who are trying to protect a public service revered by the vast majority of the UK population, we are not serfdom and we won't be treated that way.
:cfo :cfo :cfo :mfo :mfo :mfo

My occupation? I'm a carpenter, I get well paid for that because I have a skill, I spent best part 5 years in an aprenticship to gain that skill.
If I don't like my work I move on, I don't moan about it.

As for "trying to protect a public service" that is bull, this is strike is about trying to hang onto the past.
It's the same with all employers these days, they want as much work out of you as they can get, for the money, you can't blame them for that.

Dave Ward's letter to Mark Higson dated 13.10.09 is very enlightening, how can he seriously expect the RM to roll over and agree to any of that guff.

Things do change, you and the CWU can't stop it, the RM will decide how it wants to change it's bussiness not the CWU, thats how bussiness works.

Don't get me wrong, I think the postal system we have is superb, most of my 1st class mail arrives next day, I don't mind what time, as long as it arrives.

I'm sure a deal will come out of these negotiations, and as usual both sides will have a different interpretation of what was agreed, which means you will all be on strike again in 18 months time! Hey ho..................

Well if you rate the Postal workers so highly, your initial post seems rather contradictory to the tone you now adopt.
CWU members are not against moderniseation and change, just against the way it is being inflicted by dictat, oppressive treatment and bullying.

You have to admit that workers who can only see deterioration of terms and conditions in the future, and ultimately pay cuts, all part time working, and compulsory redundancies as well, what other means have they apart from
standing up and fighting ??....think about it , put yourself in their shoes, would you stand for it ??.

:cfo :mfo :mfo

[luddite123]

What is your occupation then ? ....... To reiterate a few words used in the past, feudalism died a long time ago so dont come on here with your superior bourgeois attitudes if you have nothing constructive or sensible to add, be aware you are referring to decent people here who are trying to protect a public service revered by the vast majority of the UK population, we are not serfdom and we won't be treated that way.
:cfo :cfo :cfo :mfo :mfo :mfo

My occupation? I'm a carpenter, I get well paid for that because I have a skill, I spent best part 5 years in an aprenticship to gain that skill.
If I don't like my work I move on, I don't moan about it.

As for "trying to protect a public service" that is bull, this is strike is about trying to hang onto the past.
It's the same with all employers these days, they want as much work out of you as they can get, for the money, you can't blame them for that.

Dave Ward's letter to Mark Higson dated 13.10.09 is very enlightening, how can he seriously expect the RM to roll over and agree to any of that guff.

Things do change, you and the CWU can't stop it, the RM will decide how it wants to change it's bussiness not the CWU, thats how bussiness works.

Don't get me wrong, I think the postal system we have is superb, most of my 1st class mail arrives next day, I don't mind what time, as long as it arrives.

I'm sure a deal will come out of these negotiations, and as usual both sides will have a different interpretation of what was agreed, which means you will all be on strike again in 18 months time! Hey ho..................

Well if you rate the Postal workers so highly, your initial post seems rather contradictory to the tone you now adopt.
CWU members are not against moderniseation and change, just against the way it is being inflicted by dictat, oppressive treatment and bullying.

You have to admit that workers who can only see deterioration of terms and conditions in the future, and ultimately pay cuts, all part time working, and compulsory redundancies as well, what other means have they apart from
standing up and fighting ??....think about it , put yourself in their shoes, would you stand for it ??.

:cfo :mfo :mfo

Steady on there, I said I rated the postal SYSTEM!
I am truly amazed that the system works at all when I read in these forums, of the outright hatred and lack of cooperation that seems to exist between workers and management within RM.

What I object to, are the unreasonable claims made by powerful public sector unions, the letter referred to in my previous post is full of them! The days when a union could tell a company how to run its business are over.

I dare say there will be redundancies and loads more part time post men, and your superb pension will not be worth what it was (like the rest of us) striking can't change that.

The royal mail should be able to wipe the floor with TNT, City post etc, beat them on price, service and delivery standards, but to do that you have to become competitive, that is what will ultimately, bring you job security.

[bitchface]

What is your occupation then ? ....... To reiterate a few words used in the past, feudalism died a long time ago so dont come on here with your superior bourgeois attitudes if you have nothing constructive or sensible to add, be aware you are referring to decent people here who are trying to protect a public service revered by the vast majority of the UK population, we are not serfdom and we won't be treated that way.
:cfo :cfo :cfo :mfo :mfo :mfo

My occupation? I'm a carpenter, I get well paid for that because I have a skill, I spent best part 5 years in an aprenticship to gain that skill.
If I don't like my work I move on, I don't moan about it.

As for "trying to protect a public service" that is bull, this is strike is about trying to hang onto the past.
It's the same with all employers these days, they want as much work out of you as they can get, for the money, you can't blame them for that.

Dave Ward's letter to Mark Higson dated 13.10.09 is very enlightening, how can he seriously expect the RM to roll over and agree to any of that guff.

Things do change, you and the CWU can't stop it, the RM will decide how it wants to change it's bussiness not the CWU, thats how bussiness works.

Don't get me wrong, I think the postal system we have is superb, most of my 1st class mail arrives next day, I don't mind what time, as long as it arrives.

I'm sure a deal will come out of these negotiations, and as usual both sides will have a different interpretation of what was agreed, which means you will all be on strike again in 18 months time! Hey ho..................

Well i am impressed you are so well informed for being a Carpenter! I only say this because i deliver to Two councilors and many firms and they are stilll struggling to understand whats it all about and i would think not One of my 500+ address points could tell me who Higson and Ward are let alone quote a letter between the Two on a certain date more than half a month before! Still they do say Jesus was a Carpenter dont they?

nail /head on that one
mr enlightened carpenter.
having been in property maintenance i am and have know many tradesman.
some were masons/buffs but not one would know higson ward or any letter thats never been published in the star or daily mail.

as for jesus being a carpenter.jesus wasnt even jewish.he was a Nazarene ,a mystic adept,once follower of john the baptist.Nazareth
didnt even exist in the 0 ce...

[luddite123]

Well i am impressed you are so well informed for being a Carpenter! I only say this because i deliver to Two councilors and many firms and they are stilll struggling to understand whats it all about and i would think not One of my 500+ address points could tell me who Higson and Ward are let alone quote a letter between the Two on a certain date more than half a month before! Still they do say Jesus was a Carpenter dont they?

nail /head on that one
mr enlightened carpenter.
having been in property maintenance i am and have know many tradesman.
some were masons/buffs but not one would know higson ward or any letter thats never been published in the star or daily mail.

as for jesus being a carpenter.jesus wasnt even jewish.he was a Nazarene ,a mystic adept,once follower of john the baptist.Nazareth
didnt even exist in the 0 ce...

Believe what you will.............
Out of interest in the progress of your dispute, I Googled "CWU postal strikes”, then click "Royal Mail Dispute" the resulting page has the link "Letter to Higson 13.10.09”
When I read it, I just could not believe how any union could propose such ridiculous demands, as a way of avoiding the strikes, they are utterly clueless. Your only hope is that the TUC can talk some sense into them.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The CWU offer comprises of the following:-

That Royal Mail will reveal their business plan for the whole of the planned transformation programme. This will create an open environment that will allow Royal Mail and CWU to reach a 3 year agreement aimed at providing long term stability for the business, employees and our customers.

That Royal Mail recommit to the key principle which underpinned the 2007 Pay and Modernisation Agreement i.e. that “change will be introduced by agreement”. This means Royal Mail will unequivocally agree planned 2010 change, including the rollout of new walk sequencing machines.

That we agree, in principle, that improved Job Security arrangements and a new benefits package that rewards postal workers for delivering success for the business will form part of the final agreement.

That Royal Mail agrees the principle that budgets should not drive staffing levels and that what constitutes a fair days workload will be based on transparent and agreed standards with the Union. We should jointly consider utilising independent experts in the field of work measurement to facilitate a resolution to all workload issues.

That Royal Mail are prepared to step back from imposed change and resolve all current local disputes by agreement.

That Royal Mail agrees to an independent enquiry into the bullying and harassment of postal workers and immediately ceases the use of unagreed HR procedures.

That Royal Mail are prepared to jointly approach the Government on the urgent need to find a resolution to pensions and regulatory issues.

That the national parties clear our diaries to allow for an intense period of negotiations to resolve all outstanding issues and conclude a comprehensive national agreement.

I mean how dare they demand (although as its a position paper in a dispute, demand is the wrong word propose would be more accurate) such common sense things as outlined above, I mean they'll be wanting Royal Mail to stick to all agreements, the cheek of it.

[mailman337]

******************************** That is the usual that one expects from the "Capitalist" these days, now I'm no commy by any means but I can see how profit is now the panacea in the eyes of you and yours, in a few years time when only the rich will be able to afford healthcare( and the rest of us will die off I suppose you hope),plus education, travel et al , the forelock tugging workers will be just where you want them ie pacified and servile.

The royal mail should be able to wipe the floor with TNT, City post etc, beat them on price, service and delivery standards, ..............OK take away the draconian and unfair regulatory restrictions that have been imposed on Royal Mail, give back the business that has been stolen from Royal Mail in the name of DSA, impose the U.S.O. on ALL competitors, then RM will have a level playing field and be able to take on the rest fairly. Beat them on delivery standards ?? we deliver most of it anyway, where have you been ?? :mfo :mfo :mfo

[antcpfc]

Well i am impressed you are so well informed for being a Carpenter! I only say this because i deliver to Two councilors and many firms and they are stilll struggling to understand whats it all about and i would think not One of my 500+ address points could tell me who Higson and Ward are let alone quote a letter between the Two on a certain date more than half a month before! Still they do say Jesus was a Carpenter dont they?

nail /head on that one
mr enlightened carpenter.
having been in property maintenance i am and have know many tradesman.
some were masons/buffs but not one would know higson ward or any letter thats never been published in the star or daily mail.

as for jesus being a carpenter.jesus wasnt even jewish.he was a Nazarene ,a mystic adept,once follower of john the baptist.Nazareth
didnt even exist in the 0 ce...

Believe what you will.............
Out of interest in the progress of your dispute, I Googled "CWU postal strikes”, then click "Royal Mail Dispute" the resulting page has the link "Letter to Higson 13.10.09”
When I read it, I just could not believe how any union could propose such ridiculous demands, as a way of avoiding the strikes, they are utterly clueless. Your only hope is that the TUC can talk some sense into them.

Maybe your union should shut up about H and S.Lets face it it is the slack attitudes of people on the sites that cause the problems.I worked on them for 5 years as a shuttering carpenter so should know.