More Strikes?

[pinstripe]

"I'll probably get classed as a troll now, and if I do, it just will show the CWU workers short sightedness, they can't see other people opinions. Or worse! They don;t think other people opinions count! which is wrong, everybody's opinions count."

Everybody's opinion counts? Or is it only if their opinion agrees with yours. Because our opinion of what is a justified, legal strike opposes your own pre-conceived ideals we are wrong? Please explain how we are meant to accept that your views as the only ones worth considering when you have not shown the slightest courtesy to us by researching why the strikes have came about. RM have been provoking these strikes across the whole of the UK since March! Did you know that? Do you care?

[barbario]

Ask yourself one question.Do you honestly feel that the sevice you get from Royal Mail as improved in the last two or three years?If not,who do you think was the brains behind it.You don't know half of whats going on,or whats coming up next.If we lose this dispute and you feel the service is bad now,you haven't seen anything yet. Royal Mail used to think quality of service was important,but not anymore.

[giveemenoughrope]

Ask yourself one question.Do you honestly feel that the sevice you get from Royal Mail as improved in the last two or three years?If not,who do you think was the brains behind it.You don't know half of whats going on,or whats coming up next.If we lose this dispute and you feel the service is bad now,you haven't seen anything yet. Royal Mail used to think quality of service was important,but not anymore.

I'll tell you 1 thing for certain. The service I have received from Royal Mail over the last 2 years has been exactly the same as I have always received. The service since June when the strikes began has been absolutely disgusting. I have had to file more lost claim forms in the last 3 months than I have in the last 2 years. And these are not premature claims. I have managed to persuade customers to wait 3-4 weeks because of the strikes and still nothing arrives.

What I really don't understand is why are you still striking and still announcing new strikes while the CWU and Royal Mail are talking almost every day. Now I understand the shallow answer to that is to keep pressure on RM, but if the level of service and the future of RM is TRULY your primary concern then why do it while talks are still ongoing? Little bit hypocritical don't you think?

If RM walk away or drag their heels, fine do it then. But carrying it on while talks are still ongoing?! It's absolutely stupid, does nothing to garner public support, shows you up for hypocrites, and further damages RM's reputation. It's so utterly primitive and short sighted in it's design it's laughable.

I don't believe for a second this is about keeping RM's service high. It's basically about the eradication of the Spanish practices which have kept RM a cushy number for many for a long time. Now you've been given a slap and told to wake up to the real world, you don't like it and hide behind a facade and horror stories of WIDESPREAD bullying.

WIDESPREAD? Give me a break. I'm sure it happens here and there. Just like any job. All I've seen is the same 4 individual stories repeated over and over and you pass this off as widespread. I don't believe for a second that these allegations are anywhere near the scale you want us to believe.

And just what exactly do you class as bullying and harassment. Being told what to do? Being told you're hours are changing? Being asked to work 10 minutes over just to help out? Being asked to carry a heavier bag? Being asked to walk a bit faster to enable the company to be more efficient? Being told you can't go home 3 hours early on full pay anymore?

I'm sure instead of giving some solid details I'll get the usual pointless replies you see here all the time which will only further prove you can't back up anything you say.

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Yeah looks like a terrible place to work and you're really all hard done to

[bitchface]

oh thats good,not at all misleading..umm opps wrong

i saw mail in one clip
the other 5 they had already been out and delivered
but dont let the facts cloud you.
dim doms..

[giveemenoughrope]

oh thats good,not at all misleading..umm opps wrong

i saw mail in one clip
the other 5 they had already been out and delivered
but dont let the facts cloud you.
dim doms..

I'm sure instead of giving some solid details I'll get the usual pointless replies you see here all the time which will only further prove you can't back up anything you say.

Thank you for ignoring 90% of what I wrote and proving me right.

Now....

WIDESPREAD BULLYING AND HARASSMENT. AND I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANT WORD HERE SO THERE IS NO DUCKING AND DIVING LIKE USUAL ******"WIDESPREAD"******* PROVE IT AND CLASSIFY WHAT YOU CALL BULLYING AND HARASSMENT.

[Bert66]

oh thats good,not at all misleading..umm opps wrong

i saw mail in one clip
the other 5 they had already been out and delivered
but dont let the facts cloud you.
dim doms..

I'm sure instead of giving some solid details I'll get the usual pointless replies you see here all the time which will only further prove you can't back up anything you say.

Thank you for ignoring 90% of what I wrote and proving me right.

Now....

WIDESPREAD BULLYING AND HARASSMENT. AND I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANT WORD HERE SO THERE IS NO DUCKING AND DIVING LIKE USUAL ******"WIDESPREAD"******* PROVE IT AND CLASSIFY WHAT YOU CALL BULLYING AND HARASSMENT.

Tell me how do you prove CONFIDENTIAL cases which are dealt with behind closed doors? When the CWU reps who are on these cases are informing us of such incidents but obviously not going into such detail that you require.

[bitchface]

may i field this question..thankyou.

i agreed to work 6 hours a day.thats part time to you give.
now when i started that was just enough time to prep and deliver my round.went over by maybe 10 minutes on wednesday,thurday friday.sometime over by an hour or so but i didnt really mind because tuedays are less mail and thus on tuesday i might have got home 30 minutes early.that was job and finish(royal mails idea)do your lot then go home.
over a year ago now they used the geo route on our office.they were meant to have the union rep and walk holder help input all data,like hills steps and most importantly where the letter boxes are.(some are at the back ,side the shed .they can be anywhere).well they brought a guy over who just sat their ,did it on his own.told us that are old saxon hillfort town doesnt have any hills or inclines.so top speed .anything else he imputted nobody knows as he was alone after our initial grips.

my round came out as a full time round(thats 8hrs to you )i do 6
i was told the only differance really is i dont do ips so i can do it..

now im atleast 30 minutes over on a tuesday
the rest of the week is anybodies guess but atleast an hour most day.
and thats fine if i wanted endless amounts of overtime but firstly ,i dont and secondly if i did i dont get overtime because im part time
i gave it three months as the agreement said after three months it should be review..silly me i expected them to review it see as we were all booking mega overtime.
so i handed them a letter stating i was no longer willing to perform overtime to compansate for the obvious cost cutting program.out of 16 people 3 were sacked for petty reasons...but we all know it was to save redundancy money short term.
persona;;y i have been told many times.im booking overtime because my sorting in the morning is slow.so they will test me(guess what failure means?)
ivwe actually been tested twice passing each time by a long mile.
i handed them another letter saying until they honour the agreement and sort it out or give me a full time contract i will be returning everyday with anything undelivered.
first day they told me to leave the last street if it was too much..i did that.then conduct coded me for wilful delay of the mail.criminal offense and instant dismissal for sever cases.well they didnt have a leg to stand on and after 3months they dropped it.
since then ive actually been testing sorting and finally had my round timed..(on a tueday,the lightest day)and its been found to be 30 minutes over.so i cannot do my round in 6 hrs more like 7 hours.
but have they given me a contract for that no.will they.no.im still getting the same s**t..your too slow.the computer says it can be done.the union has agreed it can stay a 4 hour delivery.we need to cut another 45 hours from the budget,it could be you....
this is what i term bulling harrassing and lying just to get their saving bonus(10 million pounds this year)..we all had a pay freeze.
hope that helps dim dom
im willing to do the work but not at my own expense.

[bitchface]

wow half missing i did rant on..ill do the rest after the shopping

[POSTMAN]

giveemenoughrope you are so out of touch with the real Royal Mail,but hey,s**t happens.

[giveemenoughrope]

wow half missing i did rant on..ill do the rest after the shopping

Thank you. I was looking for this kind of insight so I appreciate you taking the time to post that. Are you saying then that you have to work 7 hours to complete a round that they tell you can be done in six? What happens for the extra hour? Do you get paid overtime or not at all? Do you even want to work the extra hour or would you prefer to only work 6?

Is this truly happening all over the country or is it more localised as in most areas are ok but some are really bad? Honestly. And why is London such a problem in all this which is where the majority of the delays and strikes are?

[clashcityrocker]

Given that two of the first areas to ballot for and take industrial action were in Scotland it suggests the culture of bullying and harrassment within Royal Mail knows no geographical boundaries.This is partly because they have introduced a bonus culture. In the West of Scotland managers have been suspended for falsifying the quality of service figures and fraudulently pocketing tens of thousands of pounds in bonuses.
If you read the Hooper report it states amongst many other things that modernisation can only be brought about by the Union and management working together.Royal Mail have sought to sideline the union (see the leaked document) and consequently we have industrial strife.
The Hooper report also clearly states that the managers of Royal Mail are not up to the job.To all those who slag off the posties where do you think our managers come from?
The problems in London are greater because the problems have been going on for longer.
The public really has to decide what it wants.Our view of modernisation is a publicly owned,forward looking dynamic company serving the community.Theirs is a short sighted slash and burn and sell it off.Many of us have worked in Royal Mail for decades.We will not see it destroyed by people who have no love for the company - people who just see short term profit.I have worked for Royal Mail for over 20 years and I still intend to be here in another ten.Will Crozier?Is he committed to the long term future of Royal Mail?
We will strike for as long as is takes to protect our jobs,our business and our union.I work in a far from militant delivery office yet todays strike was 99% solid because we care because with us its personal.

[97gaz]

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[rhino49]

Norfolk Nelly wrote

my husband's job isnt easy, but he does it! and he doesn't strike for more pay/better conditions!

He has to lift 100kg loads every day, he works alone, so has to do all the work. he has to be up most days at 5am, but some days he's up at 2am! He only gets every other weekend off, thats only 2 days from every 14! He's lucky if he gets home before 6pm most days. You may argue that your job is just as hard. That's as maybe, but my husband doesn't strike and I'm betting at 12k a year (before overtime, which is variable), his wages are a damn sight less then postie's get as well!! But his job is his choice and he gets on with it without any public moaning or striking.

If you don't like your job so much posties, go on the dole and join the other £2+million people who will be skint and miserable this christmas, through no fault of their own. DON'T mess up everyones lives by holding the innocent public to randsom. So you're pissed off at your bosses, hardly OUR fault, is it? Any customer with any sense can see it's the CWU doing the striking, not Royal Mail the company.

At least Royal Mail are implementing temporary sorting places to soften the belly blow of these strikes. They know how important the post is to the public. How many cheques will be lost because of your short sighted selfishness? How many upset kids won't get their birthday cards? How many patients won't get important hospital information because of it? You are simply not thinking of the people you're affecting. But if you DO realise what affect your strikes are having, then SHAME ON YOU for being so ungrateful and so selfish!

If it were up to me, I would disband the CWU, sack all their members and give the job to the unemployed who would be grateful for them!

I'll probably get classed as a troll now, and if I do, it just will show the CWU workers short sightedness, they can't see other people opinions. Or worse! They don;t think other people opinions count! which is wrong, everybody's opinions count.

I myself buy and sell on eBay and I'm sick of filling in claim forms for lost/damaged in post items, only to wait over a month before I get my money back. How do you expect businesses to operate like this? I'm not a business, but the principal is the same.

Dear Nelly, there are approximately 100,000 other customers out there who are dissatisfied with the present situation and who are privileged to have first hand knowledge of the reasons for this industrial action. The reason they are so well versed in what is happening is because they are not just customers but are also postal workers.

We not only lose money when we strike but suffer the same problems and inconveniences that everyone else faces, delayed benefit payments for part timers with no hope of a full time job, and those suffering from long term injuries incurred at work because of management disregard for health and safety issues - a bit like your husband from the sound of things. I would make the most of him if I were you - he sounds like a decent man, but he will not last long with working conditions like he is enduring.

We get no preferential treatment with our post and see at first hand how the constant cuts in experienced manpower is reducing the quality of service and care that you and we are getting. Royal Mail as an employer and for that matter most employers in the current financial climate have a mission which is to reduce it's workforce to an army of part time staff desperate for work on the minimum wage in order to keep them under control. Our union aspires to a better world for us than this and is the reason they have the support of the great majority of their members.

I have worked across a spectrum of jobs in my working life of 44 years and spent many of those years in positions to do with customer service and care and the present definitions of those terms, from a business point of view, bear no resemblance to the original meanings. Service and care go hand in hand with a workforce that is well served and cared for but in the present climate it appears that the only service you get is what you pay more than the basic fee for or cover with an add on insurance policy.

I don't expect too much sympathy from anyone without the experience that we have in working in and with our own business - we know what is wrong and hope that our dispute will lead to improvements not only for us but for our customers - but if we don't try neither you nor I will ever know.

[Funked!]

It's more like 10 hours work expected to be done in 8.
If you can't do, you are told it's a performance issue & threatened with prep tests, timings, shouted at that you should look for another job (even though you've done the job 20+ years - longer than the manager.) Given letters regarding your performance which carry no real evidence & asked to attend a meeting on the same issue etc, etc. Then when you pass the tests which you will, you will be threatened with & taken off pay, all to make you work for free. Can you comprehend the effect this has on the rest of the staff, yes they conform to everything. I have seen managers reduce men & women to tears, i could tell you of more vicious stuff, but i don't think you want to believe me.

[bunkerland]

There's a few folk i feel very sorry for in our office,a couple of over sixties who clearly can't cope with the increased workloads and consistantly work over their times,with no break and no extra pay!
There's also a few part-timers always over their time but again,never paid o/t!

When they complain,the're told by the manager it's performance related and made to feel that the're just bad at the job so aren't entitled to claim anything or claim a meal relief!

We all work at different speeds,some people just go a little slower than others,i see this in other jobs every day,i don't think it's a crime but Royal Mail does! With the increased workloads now,all i see is the quickest posties being pushed for time too,what hope for the rest? None i'm afraid!

The message is simple now,if your old,a bit slow or just not prepared to run round your delivery your not doing your job properly! What makes it all the more laughable is the delivery managers telling people to go quicker all must weigh>16 stone and can't even walk up a flight of stairs without blowing through their arses!

Respect in the workplace? Pish!!