ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE

ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!

Sacked village postie claims he was set up

Latest Royal Mail and CWU news.This is an open forum.
TrueBlueTerrier
FORUM ADMINISTRATOR
Posts: 72511
Joined: 30 Dec 2006, 10:29
Gender: Male
Location: On my couch

Sacked village postie claims he was set up

Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

A POPULAR postie was sacked for dumping "junk mail" in a bin outside his work, on the morning of the weekly rubbish collection, an employment tribunal heard yesterday.

ImageForty-five-year-old John Surtees was hauled before his bosses after 1000 items of mail, advertising the RAC and Sky, were discovered in the garbage at his Drumnadrochit base, overlooking the shores of Loch Ness.

His dismissal, and that of 40-year-old colleague David Bell, for gross misconduct had hundreds of villagers rallying behind the pair and signing a petition in a bid to have them reinstate.

Mr Surtees, a postie for nine years, took his case to the tribunal in Inverness, claiming unfair dismissal.

The hearing was told how sub-postmaster David Paterson discovered the bundles of mail in the bin outside the post office on 7th September last year.

During internal investigations by Jeff Heafey, delivery sector manager for the Inverness area, another postman, a former police sergeant, claimed he witnessed his colleague dumping the items.

Mr Surtees, during a disciplinary hearing, claimed he was the victim of a set up, informing his boss there was "bad-feeling" within the rural post office.

"Door to door mail is one of the Royal Mail's biggest earners. It is an increasing business," said Mr Heafey. "If we relied solely on the delivery of first class and second class mail we would be loss-making and unable to survive."

He carried out a series of interviews, including those with the sub-postmaster and various other posties and relief postmen and women who operate out of Drumnadrochit.

A bundle containing 215 RAC leaflets was specifically assigned to Mr Surtees for his Bunloit route in the village on 6th September but were found in the bin the following morning, he said.

Mr Heafey said he interviewed Mr Surtees and he could not explain how they had got there. When the manager told the postie he had been witnessed by a colleague of putting those RAC leaflets in the bin, Mr Heafey said he replied: "I believe this is a set up."

"He told me there was a history of bad feeling among members of the team. But there was nothing to suggest Mr Surtees had been set up."

Mr Heafey explained contracts involving delivery of door-to-door mail usually required the items being delivery within seven days.

Posties were asked to attempt to deliver 20 per cent of their allotted mail each day of a five-day week in a bid to meet that requirement.

Failure of delivery through "junk' mail" being dumped or disposed of could lead to the Royal Mail being fined for failing to meet their Universal Service Obligation.

Mr Surtees' case continues. His colleague, David Bell's tribunal is due to go ahead tomorrow.
All post by me in Green are Admin Posts.
Any post in any other colour is my own responsibility.
If you like a news story I posted please click the link to show support Any news stories you can't post - PM me with a link
My sharing of news articles should not be interpreted as an endorsement or condemnation of any particular viewpoint or the issues presented. I share them solely for informational purposes.
underpaid
Posts: 103
Joined: 13 Jun 2007, 13:04

Post by underpaid »

they say they witnessed him any proof i.e pics videos,if not they havent got anything on him their word against his this wouldnt stand up in court if i was him i would get the old bill to do a dna test on these d2d and then see what comes up no doubt his managers grubby mitts have been on em
TrueBlueTerrier
FORUM ADMINISTRATOR
Posts: 72511
Joined: 30 Dec 2006, 10:29
Gender: Male
Location: On my couch

Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

Unfortunately the guy who blabbed on him is an ex-copper according to the article, so its probably all over for him.
All post by me in Green are Admin Posts.
Any post in any other colour is my own responsibility.
If you like a news story I posted please click the link to show support Any news stories you can't post - PM me with a link
My sharing of news articles should not be interpreted as an endorsement or condemnation of any particular viewpoint or the issues presented. I share them solely for informational purposes.
johno47
Posts: 495
Joined: 10 Feb 2007, 16:45
Location: Burslem

Post by johno47 »

Big Dave was sacked on the word of one female boss the other male boss was not able to hear what was said between the two of them, and yet RM took the word of the female boss to be the one they believed, that sort of evidence would not stand up in a court of law, and yet RM sack people on it, unbelievable...UNITY IS STRENGTH.
vigilante
Posts: 1155
Joined: 20 May 2007, 19:13
Gender: Male
Location: dangerously close

one sided

Post by vigilante »

you know who gets believed in any controversy.
management are so F*****g corrupt when it comes to it
johno47
Posts: 495
Joined: 10 Feb 2007, 16:45
Location: Burslem

Post by johno47 »

To f***ing true mate, the male boss had been done 3 times for bullying and intimidation, but still employed by RM.
...UNITY IS STRENGTH.
IWW Fellow Worker
Posts: 3644
Joined: 30 May 2007, 14:27
Gender: Male

Post by IWW Fellow Worker »

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Unfortunately the guy who blabbed on him is an ex-copper according to the article, so its probably all over for him.
You can always rely on a copper telling the truth. :wink:
Timothy Evans, Derek Bentley, George Kelly, Charles Connolly, Wayne Darvell, The Birmingham Six, The Guildford Four, The McGuire Seven, The Bridgewater Four, Johnny Kamara, Judith Ward, Stefan Kiszko, the M25 Three..............
The Industrial Workers of the World. The union whose members never scab!

"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common."
L Tommo
Posts: 3165
Joined: 06 Feb 2007, 09:43
Gender: Male
Location: WATCHING YOU WATCHING ME!

Post by L Tommo »

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Unfortunately the guy who blabbed on him is an ex-copper according to the article, so its probably all over for him.
You can always rely on a copper telling the truth. :wink:
Timothy Evans, Derek Bentley, George Kelly, Charles Connolly, Wayne Darvell, The Birmingham Six, The Guildford Four, The McGuire Seven, The Bridgewater Four, Johnny Kamara, Judith Ward, Stefan Kiszko, the M25 Three..............
yehhhhh and the wrongly accused 3 DEGREE'S

Someone said they could sing????? POOR GIRLS :d'oh! :d'oh! :d'oh!
L TOMMO.... ILLEGITIMIS NON CARBORUNDUM........

EAST LONDON MAIL CENTER-ISHHHH
diballday
Posts: 36
Joined: 25 May 2007, 17:34
Gender: Male
Location: Beyond The Pale

Post by diballday »

RM are experts at stiching people up. I was suspended for wilful delay when i came back to time, even though i informed a manager three times before i went out. After being interviewed the following morning i was told by the area manager i had done nothing wrong and could go back to work. Three weeks later i was given two years serious because i couldnt prove i informed a manager that i had brought mail back when i returned to the office.
L Tommo
Posts: 3165
Joined: 06 Feb 2007, 09:43
Gender: Male
Location: WATCHING YOU WATCHING ME!

A sham,,,

Post by L Tommo »

diballday wrote:RM are experts at stiching people up. I was suspended for wilful delay when i came back to time, even though i informed a manager three times before i went out. After being interviewed the following morning i was told by the area manager i had done nothing wrong and could go back to work. Three weeks later i was given two years serious because i couldnt prove i informed a manager that i had brought mail back when i returned to the office.
WOT ABOUT INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN?????? You Never had to prove anything mate!!! Didnt your rep say something along them lines???


OUT... :shock:
L TOMMO.... ILLEGITIMIS NON CARBORUNDUM........

EAST LONDON MAIL CENTER-ISHHHH
diballday
Posts: 36
Joined: 25 May 2007, 17:34
Gender: Male
Location: Beyond The Pale

Post by diballday »

DOM said he will always believe the word of another manager over a postman. He also told me that if i hadnt had witnesses who had heard me tell the line manager that i was working to my time i would have been sacked.Also if the lads hadnt walked out when i was suspended, then you can bet they would have sacked me.
vigilante
Posts: 1155
Joined: 20 May 2007, 19:13
Gender: Male
Location: dangerously close

dum- wilful

Post by vigilante »

diballday

DOM said he will always believe the word of another manager over a postman. He also told me that if i hadnt had witnesses who had heard me tell the line manager that i was working to my time i would have been sacked.Also if the lads hadnt walked out when i was suspended, then you can bet they would have sacked me.



A manager should take notice of both sides of the argument.
obviously you have a real t**t in charge-----best thing is to make a diary up and write everything down that he says to you out of place no matter what,
be patient, times dates etc then wack a grievance in---stitch him up but get witnesses.
diballday
Posts: 36
Joined: 25 May 2007, 17:34
Gender: Male
Location: Beyond The Pale

Post by diballday »

Grievance has gone in, though this is regarding the attendance procedure. I recently started on dialysis after being diagnosed with chronic renal failure last year. Earlier this year i had time off for surgery to insert a catheter so i could start dialysis, then i had to have a week off for dialysis training. Though the dum says he sympathises and believes i am genuinley ill, he says he has no choice but to take me down the conduct code, so he gave me a stage 1.He then informed me that if i had the day of to go to the renal clinic he would put me down as sick! I think someones out to get me.
IWW Fellow Worker
Posts: 3644
Joined: 30 May 2007, 14:27
Gender: Male

Post by IWW Fellow Worker »

diballday wrote:Grievance has gone in, though this is regarding the attendance procedure. I recently started on dialysis after being diagnosed with chronic renal failure last year. Earlier this year i had time off for surgery to insert a catheter so i could start dialysis, then i had to have a week off for dialysis training. Though the dum says he sympathises and believes i am genuinley ill, he says he has no choice but to take me down the conduct code, so he gave me a stage 1.He then informed me that if i had the day of to go to the renal clinic he would put me down as sick! I think someones out to get me.
Sympathetic scum, arent they? You're not dealing with a human being when you're dealing with a manager. You are dealing with unregenerate scum. No more, no less!
The Industrial Workers of the World. The union whose members never scab!

"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common."
underpaid
Posts: 103
Joined: 13 Jun 2007, 13:04

Post by underpaid »

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Unfortunately the guy who blabbed on him is an ex-copper according to the article, so its probably all over for him.
ex copper my arse once a copper always a copper