No 16.30 cap?

[A2B]

Scan the parcel, PDA tells you where it goes, and you put it in the right York. No thinking.

So you stand at the packet frame with the PDA and scan every parcel?

Never knew the PDA told you what walk the parcel should go to!

[Rve83ndxd]

Scan the parcel, PDA tells you where it goes, and you put it in the right York. No thinking.

So you stand at the packet frame with the PDA and scan every parcel?

Never knew the PDA told you what walk the parcel should go to!

Yes. I believe we are a test office, so the functionality will not be available to anyone.

[buchanpeter]

Scan the parcel, PDA tells you where it goes, and you put it in the right York. No thinking.

So you stand at the packet frame with the PDA and scan every parcel?

Never knew the PDA told you what walk the parcel should go to!

This is a very old thing now.
There was a thing royal mail wanted many years ago called Delivery 2.0. Where you had one big massive frame going around the office wall. The idea behind it was to give everyone a different workload each day based on traffic. Essentially to casualise the workforce.
There was an extension to this which I think it was referred to as delivery 2.5. It's where each part of the long frame was broken up into simple sections. Like section A or B. A York with bag rack sits behind you at your section of the frame. I think there was about 9 hooks. 3 at each side of the rack. Each bag had a section associated with it. Like A1 or A2. So u scan a packet at the bench and the PDA sez which bag it goes into. The idea behind it is to save indoor time to do more outdoor work. Cause management sez your double handling Ur packets by putting them up in the frame handling them again putting them in a bag.
There was a royal mail video showing you how it worked and management in the video praising the idea as usual.
The real idea of it if course is so that a person doesn't need to have local knowledge in order to sort the packets. That was even mentioned in the video. In other words it was another way to casualise the workforce.
But last I heard delivery 2.0 was a massive failure and was shelved many years ago.
The idea relies heavily on actually having enough room to place a York behind you. .
I tried to find the video for it but couldn't find it.

[TopperGas]

Scan the parcel, PDA tells you where it goes, and you put it in the right York. No thinking.

So you stand at the packet frame with the PDA and scan every parcel?

Never knew the PDA told you what walk the parcel should go to!

Yes. I believe we are a test office, so the functionality will not be available to anyone.

This was something Amazon used when I worked there for a brief spell before joining RM, it's totally brain numbing doing it for a full shift but I guess it cuts down on missorts and also requires zero training.

It would be interesting to know the time taken to scan, read the PDA info, then place in the correct bag v just sorting manually.

At RM you'd also no doubt have the failure to scan plus searching for the correct address to contend with every few items, I didn't recall coming across at Amazon where everything is a set standard of bar code.

[Rve83ndxd]

This is a very old thing now.
There was a thing royal mail wanted many years ago called Delivery 2.0. Where you had one big massive frame going around the office wall. The idea behind it was to give everyone a different workload each day based on traffic. Essentially to casualise the workforce.
There was an extension to this which I think it was referred to as delivery 2.5. It's where each part of the long frame was broken up into simple sections. Like section A or B. A York with bag rack sits behind you at your section of the frame. I think there was about 9 hooks. 3 at each side of the rack. Each bag had a section associated with it. Like A1 or A2. So u scan a packet at the bench and the PDA sez which bag it goes into. The idea behind it is to save indoor time to do more outdoor work. Cause management sez your double handling Ur packets by putting them up in the frame handling them again putting them in a bag.
There was a royal mail video showing you how it worked and management in the video praising the idea as usual.
The real idea of it if course is so that a person doesn't need to have local knowledge in order to sort the packets. That was even mentioned in the video. In other words it was another way to casualise the workforce.
But last I heard delivery 2.0 was a massive failure and was shelved many years ago.
The idea relies heavily on actually having enough room to place a York behind you. .
I tried to find the video for it but couldn't find it.

Nope

[Mr Rush]

There was an extension to this which I think it was referred to as delivery 2.5. It's where each part of the long frame was broken up into simple sections. Like section A or B. A York with bag rack sits behind you at your section of the frame. I think there was about 9 hooks. 3 at each side of the rack. Each bag had a section associated with it. Like A1 or A2. So u scan a packet at the bench and the PDA sez which bag it goes into.

"Format 2 Sortation" as seen in the September 2024 edition of Your Voice. I would not be surprised if the trial being discussed is a scaled-back version of that.

In the D2.0 proposal, increasing F numbers denote the size of the item. F1 are small packets shoved into the frame (thanks so much), F2 are ones that have to go in the bag, while F3 and F4 are handled exclusively by the DPRs.

[oypostie]

Scan the parcel, PDA tells you where it goes, and you put it in the right York. No thinking.

That would probably take considerably more time than currently. We used to have to scan the tracked in to the drop bags / sleeves before they started at the delivery frames and just scanning without having to read what delivery it was for was much slower than now. I've no doubt it can be made to work at a functional level but whether it is economic i doubt. So if it's not economic it will no doubt be a national roll out shortly

[clashcityrocker]

Are you talking at cross purposes?
The scan to york is for the DPRs I think.

Learning the sorting for 8 routes covering 64 duties is beyond most people.
Having a machine tell you where to put the packet is much quicker.

[oypostie]

Learning the sorting for 8 routes covering 64 duties is beyond most people.
Having a machine tell you where to put the packet is much quicker.

You must have poor sorters is all i can say

[Shaugi]

Christ I'm bundling up/loading the HCT by then, out the door by 9, at first DP by 9:15 at the absolute latest after a brisk 0.8mile walk.

I deduce you must be near one of the glorious Hubs.

My DO is about an hour from the MC.

[Shaugi]

Are you talking at cross purposes?
The scan to york is for the DPRs I think.

Learning the sorting for 8 routes covering 64 duties is beyond most people.
Having a machine tell you where to put the packet is much quicker.

Spot on.
Scan to York is designed for DPR.

We have 7 yorks for DPR routes. My IPS is done there. Scan packet, chuck in the correct york for the route the PDA assigns it to.
Routes are made geographically so each DPR route does the same area daily.
Packets can be added to a specific route manually if not on an assigned route.

Basically anything deemed heavy/large by the MC comes straight to me, the rural heavy/large are segregated out and sorted by aisle 1-6 that dutys' frame is in. The town heavy/large are scanned and placed neatly, gently and carefully( ) into the york for the DPR route. Once the york is full another is placed in front.
By the time sorting is done, most DPR have 2-3 yorks of large packets.
The manager or DPR supervisor if no manager available then gets on the pc, checks the amount assigned to each DPR, adjusts if necessary by combining or splitting routes to fit the workload within the hours and commits the work.
DPR then turn up, scan in any LATs, download their assigned route to pda and start numbering packets. They can be numbered, loaded and out on delivery within an hour of arriving.

[clashcityrocker]

Learning the sorting for 8 routes covering 64 duties is beyond most people.
Having a machine tell you where to put the packet is much quicker.

You must have poor sorters is all i can say

You can say all you like.
Across the 3 postcodes the office covers there must be something like 500 roads.
It is incredibly slow to have to look at an idiot board every time you come across a road you don't know.
Now anyone can do it after 30 seconds training. It doesn't matter who is off sick or on holiday, there is immediate cover for the DPR sorting.

[TopperGas]

Learning the sorting for 8 routes covering 64 duties is beyond most people.
Having a machine tell you where to put the packet is much quicker.

You must have poor sorters is all i can say

You can say all you like.
Across the 3 postcodes the office covers there must be something like 500 roads.
It is incredibly slow to have to look at an idiot board every time you come across a road you don't know.
Now anyone can do it after 30 seconds training. It doesn't matter who is off sick or on holiday, there is immediate cover for the DPR sorting.

Unless you've all newish starters sorting why does anybody need to use an idiot board, if you get the odd one you don't know just ask the person stood next to you as they'll probably know. I can't believe every item scans OK as they never do at your own frame.

[clashcityrocker]

Unless you've all newish starters sorting why does anybody need to use an idiot board,

So when they introduce the DPRs how does anybody know the sorting?
How long do you think it takes to learn that level of sorting?
Why ask the person next to you when you have a machine in your hand that gives you the answer?

In comparison the letter sorting for the 3 postcode areas contains about 20 walks each.
The sorting is still fairly slow and inaccurate when a new person has to do it.

If I sort the letters I have a fairly good idea where everything goes because I have done every one of those walks at some point.
By contrast I have never done any of the DPR duties and two thirds are in postcodes where I have very limited experience.
Therefore it is much quicker to use a system where the machine tells you where to place the parcel.

[heapsy]

Unless you've all newish starters sorting why does anybody need to use an idiot board,

So when they introduce the DPRs how does anybody know the sorting?
How long do you think it takes to learn that level of sorting?
Why ask the person next to you when you have a machine in your hand that gives you the answer?

In comparison the letter sorting for the 3 postcode areas contains about 20 walks each.
The sorting is still fairly slow and inaccurate when a new person has to do it.

If I sort the letters I have a fairly good idea where everything goes because I have done every one of those walks at some point.
By contrast I have never done any of the DPR duties and two thirds are in postcodes where I have very limited experience.
Therefore it is much quicker to use a system where the machine tells you where to place the parcel.

DPR isn't perfect either. In fact, it is illogical to some extent.