Exactly, it's the best option, we've been saying that for a while, I hope someone higher up at Royal Mail reads these comments I don't mind them stealing it and pretending it was their idea, although it's pretty unlikely they'll ever implement anything remotely sensiblepostslippete wrote: ↑29 Jun 2026, 07:11The incentives under DM26 don't appear to be the same for everyone
The singleton duties are inevitably going to be the most desirable because the posties can control their own frame everyday and are not relying on anyone else to clear their work and, if they work harder or get ahead, then they will directly benefit from it.
Van shares appear to be the ones where the savings are expected to come from through deferred work and are therefore likely to come under the greatest pressure. We are already seeing this in our office, with the singletons generally completing their own rounds every day and/or picking up additional work as overtime indoors and outdoors, while paired duties depend entirely on another person's work ethic. If you're both on the same page that's great, but RM have combined the inefficiencies of van shares (where the driver usually ends up taking most of the responsibility) with the added complexity of working in a pod of 3 to complete 4 duties. So you're no longer relying on your OP but also partly responsible for other rounds that may or may not be cleared.
Given that singletons and pairings are unlikely to consistently help each other then properly planned oversized duties seems a much simpler solution. Everyone would have ownership of their own workloads, the accountability would be clearer and there would be less dependencies on other people.
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ted_e_bear
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norris9
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what is the definition of 'oversized' duties? duties that are too big? surely not.
One thing that Royal Mail need to do is use some common sense and basic logic to make rounds even. It really should not be that hard. How they come up with some rounds versus others - I do not know. Over the years I've noticed multiple rounds that are 40 minutes too big or 40 minutes too small and they never get rectified....
other things... frames not in the correct order.....postboxes that you collect from that are actually located on someone else's round.
This company lacks common sense and doesn't seem to know what efficiency is.
One thing that Royal Mail need to do is use some common sense and basic logic to make rounds even. It really should not be that hard. How they come up with some rounds versus others - I do not know. Over the years I've noticed multiple rounds that are 40 minutes too big or 40 minutes too small and they never get rectified....
other things... frames not in the correct order.....postboxes that you collect from that are actually located on someone else's round.
This company lacks common sense and doesn't seem to know what efficiency is.
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ted_e_bear
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Yes exactly that, but you'd only deliver everything for half of it and it's parcels+1c etc for the other half, then rotate the following day.
I think it's a much simpler idea than having 3 people titting about doing parts of 4 duties which is more complicated and messy.
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norris9 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2026, 15:00what is the definition of 'oversized' duties? duties that are too big? surely not.
One thing that Royal Mail need to do is use some common sense and basic logic to make rounds even. It really should not be that hard. How they come up with some rounds versus others - I do not know. Over the years I've noticed multiple rounds that are 40 minutes too big or 40 minutes too small and they never get rectified....
other things... frames not in the correct order.....postboxes that you collect from that are actually located on someone else's round.
This company lacks common sense and doesn't seem to know what efficiency is.
Unfortunately, that's the real issue because RM hasn't balanced our duties properly for years. I've long argued that we need a full revision and re-pick with DM26 but that's about as likely as Dave Ward coming down to our office with a strongly worded letter for management. We've been promised a revision for years but it has never materialised. The singletons and duty holders on the cushier rounds really don't want to change and getting management to leave work on their frame so they can help someone else's is a bit like trying to herd stray cats.
So what's the solution? I think everyone should their own oversized duty. That doesn't mean combining 2 duties into 1 leaving postie's with far too many loops and Tracked items. But it does means properly redesigning and balancing duties from scratch. Management have all the data they need to work with because they now know how many Tracked items that we are doing, how many loops we are doing etc etc
Honestly, it would be a far simpler system than having 3 people trying to coordinate 4 duties. Everyone would be responsible for their own workload, the accountability is clearer and there would be far fewer dependencies on other people.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Mr Rush
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All this talk of 'pods' (*dolphin squeals*) made me think of the remnant military terminology in this job (reserve, annual leave, duty, etc) and how they've missed an opportunity to call these Fire Teams. We could bring back Higher Grade as Team Leader and do drills with the 'guns' scanning practice barcodes for all those new products we never get any training on how to handle!postslippete wrote: ↑29 Jun 2026, 07:11RM have combined the inefficiencies of van shares (where the driver usually ends up taking most of the responsibility) with the added complexity of working in a pod of 3 to complete 4 duties.
The machine stops.
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postslippete wrote: ↑29 Jun 2026, 19:15Unfortunately, that's the real issue because RM hasn't balanced our duties properly for years. I've long argued that we need a full revision and re-pick with DM26 but that's about as likely as Dave Ward coming down to our office with a strongly worded letter for management. We've been promised a revision for years but it has never materialised. The singletons and duty holders on the cushier rounds really don't want to change and getting management to leave work on their frame so they can help someone else's is a bit like trying to herd stray cats.norris9 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2026, 15:00what is the definition of 'oversized' duties? duties that are too big? surely not.
One thing that Royal Mail need to do is use some common sense and basic logic to make rounds even. It really should not be that hard. How they come up with some rounds versus others - I do not know. Over the years I've noticed multiple rounds that are 40 minutes too big or 40 minutes too small and they never get rectified....
other things... frames not in the correct order.....postboxes that you collect from that are actually located on someone else's round.
This company lacks common sense and doesn't seem to know what efficiency is.
For DM26 a re-pick is mandatory
Under the national CWU and Royal Mail Group Agreement, a formal repick is mandatory because the DM26 delivery model radically disrupts the structural layout of an office by condensing four existing duties into three. Because this "heavy and light" system completely alters delivery points, pairing arrangements, and individual workload distribution, it legally triggers a full structural revision.
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Norris, this looks likes a direct quote from something. Have you got a link to the original source?norris9 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2026, 18:52postslippete wrote: ↑29 Jun 2026, 19:15Unfortunately, that's the real issue because RM hasn't balanced our duties properly for years. I've long argued that we need a full revision and re-pick with DM26 but that's about as likely as Dave Ward coming down to our office with a strongly worded letter for management. We've been promised a revision for years but it has never materialised. The singletons and duty holders on the cushier rounds really don't want to change and getting management to leave work on their frame so they can help someone else's is a bit like trying to herd stray cats.norris9 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2026, 15:00what is the definition of 'oversized' duties? duties that are too big? surely not.
One thing that Royal Mail need to do is use some common sense and basic logic to make rounds even. It really should not be that hard. How they come up with some rounds versus others - I do not know. Over the years I've noticed multiple rounds that are 40 minutes too big or 40 minutes too small and they never get rectified....
other things... frames not in the correct order.....postboxes that you collect from that are actually located on someone else's round.
This company lacks common sense and doesn't seem to know what efficiency is.
For DM26 a re-pick is mandatory
Under the national CWU and Royal Mail Group Agreement, a formal repick is mandatory because the DM26 delivery model radically disrupts the structural layout of an office by condensing four existing duties into three. Because this "heavy and light" system completely alters delivery points, pairing arrangements, and individual workload distribution, it legally triggers a full structural revision.
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