For what is worth !

[77SAMPOST77]

Hi , Martin going a little of topic here but while you are in the mood for answering questions ,

The Parcelforce depot I work at now has 50% owner drivers but I am sure a CWU agreement states they are only allowed 25%

can you confirm its 25% .

We have a nasty bullying manager so unable to name depot but if you look up which manager has the most complaints against him you will know which depot it is .



Also we have no rep .

[Rm121]

Dm26 seems no different from odm. The 4th duty sees to that. Without this it might be better. However workloads will probably be worse.
The fact nothing has been explained tells you all you need to know.

[Chelseablue]

And relying on managers to conduct the lazy among us , ( there are a small number) when they drag there feet having to help the 2 in a van etc. Arguements everywhere ,,,

[krussel]

Martin.

I think the real problem here is not so much the delivery method and trying to explain it but the fact that the CWU has simply lost touch with its members the ones actually out there delivering the work. Had they not they would know (like every postie) that this new way of working is going to be too complicated and too stressful. I ve done almost 40 years and over 25 years as a rep and this week i handed in my notice. I am gone in two weeks.

The reason iam going is that for someone in there late 50's the job is already too exhausting and stressful esp for what we are paid. Posties are already looking down the sharp end of 5 hours out on the streets and with DM26 this is set to be extended on longer days. Its physically too much and the older people will burn out with injury and the new newer younger people will simply quit and find an easier job which there are plenty. You are agreeing to something that NOBODY wants and removing the final benefits that may have made the job worth sticking with.

Had the TRUE staff (the ones who do delivery) been asked they prob would have agreed to a 25% increase in their call rates with a proper structured revision and to use the 50/50 method. More savings on sats with 1st and tracked only. Stay with current paired duties and singletons. The KISS theory which works every time. All this 4 loops all products and 4 loop light shared by 3 posties is all well and good if everyone works at the same pace and gets on with the group. Of course in the real postie world this never happens leading to more stress. Its just too complicated to manage and thats before one of the group goes sick. RM managers will soon return to threats and bulling using PDA actuals as weapons when it all starts to fail and then even more people will leave.

[ted_e_bear]

Martin.

I think the real problem here is not so much the delivery method and trying to explain it but the fact that the CWU has simply lost touch with its members the ones actually out there delivering the work. Had they not they would know (like every postie) that this new way of working is going to be too complicated and too stressful. I ve done almost 40 years and over 25 years as a rep and this week i handed in my notice. I am gone in two weeks.

The reason iam going is that for someone in there late 50's the job is already too exhausting and stressful esp for what we are paid. Posties are already looking down the sharp end of 5 hours out on the streets and with DM26 this is set to be extended on longer days. Its physically too much and the older people will burn out with injury and the new newer younger people will simply quit and find an easier job which there are plenty. You are agreeing to something that NOBODY wants and removing the final benefits that may have made the job worth sticking with.

Had the TRUE staff (the ones who do delivery) been asked they prob would have agreed to a 25% increase in their call rates with a proper structured revision and to use the 50/50 method. More savings on sats with 1st and tracked only. Stay with current paired duties and singletons. The KISS theory which works every time. All this 4 loops all products and 4 loop light shared by 3 posties is all well and good if everyone works at the same pace and gets on with the group. Of course in the real postie world this never happens leading to more stress. Its just too complicated to manage and thats before one of the group goes sick. RM managers will soon return to threats and bulling using PDA actuals as weapons when it all starts to fail and then even more people will leave.

Had the TRUE staff (the ones who do delivery) been asked they prob would have agreed to a 25% increase in their call rates with a proper structured revision and to use the 50/50 method. More savings on sats with 1st and tracked only. Stay with current paired duties and singletons. The KISS theory which works every time. All this 4 loops all products and 4 loop light shared by 3 posties is all well and good if everyone works at the same pace and gets on with the group. Of course in the real postie world this never happens leading to more stress. Its just too complicated to manage and thats before one of the group goes sick. RM managers will soon return to threats and bulling using PDA actuals as weapons when it all starts to fail and then even more people will leave

Well said that's what I've been saying, yes increase the duty size but with the 50/50 method non of this 3 people taking bits from the 4th duty bollocks, non of this singletons helping out fantasy bollocks.

[Perseus]

"7. It works better for non drivers as they can stay on the CDV pairing and rotate the heavy and light model and can can share on a Saturday to enable an earlier finish."

Please explain how a Saturday operation works in reference to that. If you need 20 people in on a Saturday, 5 of which are non drivers - surely you'll need 5 MORE staff in to DRIVE the shared van? Surely 2 people in a van aren't going to be given the same amount of work as 1 person in a van to get this earlier finish you speak of? People are well within their rights to not drive and I agree with them, but you can't ignore the practicalities of how a Saturday will work.

otherwise -
"We might not be able to give you extra Saturdays off after all......"

Apologies for quoting myself, but the question remains - how will the workload be split on a Saturday if you have 2 in some vans and 1 in others, and will this not impact number of Saturdays off? Packets and 1C letters 'only' on many duties can take up a large portion of the available delivery time.

I'm wondering this too. We cannot rely on management to make this fair, the ones that moan the most will get 2 in a van. Secondly, earlier finish? It's not job and knock is it? It would just mean standing around waiting to clock out like school kids.

2 people sharing a van on a Saturday to enable them an earlier finish sounds totally unfair, if that is indeed what Martin is saying. It certainly reads that way.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

Am I right in thinking we lose the proposed pathway to equalisation if it's a NO vote? So legacy posties fretting about a change to their duties will inadvertently scupper the new entrants?

[qwerty2]

Space the mail centre would have deferred the work for 50% of the duties and manually all of it would have been in for non priority, that now can go on an earlier wave or even wave zero if the mail centre has this in place into the delivery office and the target is for all Mail centres to have a 90/10 split.

This model allows for a Delivery office to have the deferred mail into the unit earlier as it has been sequenced or sorted. No more non priority will go for the next day.

Then you’re only waiting for 1st class and parcels to arrive.

If they send all the mail down on a Saturday then the non drivers can prep duties for Monday

[world class male]

martin, you have clearly lost the plot
if say for instance your idea set out to save our souls is to work, then why MUST we vote it in asap?
it seems an eternity on your lot eating cookies yet we MUST decide within a few weeks with zero info on the new proposed duties zero idea on a repick, absolutely zero info about anything other than we should trust some very highly paid guys i help pay the wages for to tell me to take a below inflation pay cut you yourself negotiated after boasting about the "never be below inflation no strings deal"
can you just resign please, i know i couldn't do your job, but perhaps you should admit it too

[Chelseablue]

Am I right in thinking we lose the proposed pathway to equalisation if it's a NO vote? So legacy posties fretting about a change to their duties will inadvertently scupper the new entrants?

Think you will find the new entrants are voting no too Fretting and scupper,,,, what are ypu on about ?

[A2B]

Am I right in thinking we lose the proposed pathway to equalisation if it's a NO vote? So legacy posties fretting about a change to their duties will inadvertently scupper the new entrants?

I wait to be told differently but this vote is to determine if members of the CWU either legacy or new contract think that DM26 is a good idea.

The CWU have gone for broke on equalisation because they need new starters to join the union while putting their original members in second place. They are reaching the point where neither are happy and are in danger of imploding

[SpacePhoenix]

Space the mail centre would have deferred the work for 50% of the duties and manually all of it would have been in for non priority, that now can go on an earlier wave or even wave zero if the mail centre has this in place into the delivery office and the target is for all Mail centres to have a 90/10 split.

This model allows for a Delivery office to have the deferred mail into the unit earlier as it has been sequenced or sorted. No more non priority will go for the next day.

Then you’re only waiting for 1st class and parcels to arrive.

Once again you show that you have no understanding of how things work. The mail already goes on the first available lorry unless that is already full. The CSS machines can't be started earlier as they have to be TPM'd and wait for the DTS data file to be downloaded. Wave 2 can't be started any earlier as it's down to when the mail arrives and operator availability on the iLSM.

[Sean06]

Space the mail centre would have deferred the work for 50% of the duties and manually all of it would have been in for non priority, that now can go on an earlier wave or even wave zero if the mail centre has this in place into the delivery office and the target is for all Mail centres to have a 90/10 split.

This model allows for a Delivery office to have the deferred mail into the unit earlier as it has been sequenced or sorted. No more non priority will go for the next day.

Then you’re only waiting for 1st class and parcels to arrive.

Once again you show that you have no understanding of how things work. The mail already goes on the first available lorry unless that is already full. The CSS machines can't be started earlier as they have to be TPM'd and wait for the DTS data file to be downloaded. Wave 2 can't be started any earlier as it's down to when the mail arrives and operator availability on the iLSM.

Tpm'd lol once in a blue moon.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

Am I right in thinking we lose the proposed pathway to equalisation if it's a NO vote? So legacy posties fretting about a change to their duties will inadvertently scupper the new entrants?

Think you will find the new entrants are voting no too Fretting and scupper,,,, what are ypu on about ?

Ask someone with a vocabulary to explain it for you.

[SpacePhoenix]

Space the mail centre would have deferred the work for 50% of the duties and manually all of it would have been in for non priority, that now can go on an earlier wave or even wave zero if the mail centre has this in place into the delivery office and the target is for all Mail centres to have a 90/10 split.

This model allows for a Delivery office to have the deferred mail into the unit earlier as it has been sequenced or sorted. No more non priority will go for the next day.

Then you’re only waiting for 1st class and parcels to arrive.

Once again you show that you have no understanding of how things work. The mail already goes on the first available lorry unless that is already full. The CSS machines can't be started earlier as they have to be TPM'd and wait for the DTS data file to be downloaded. Wave 2 can't be started any earlier as it's down to when the mail arrives and operator availability on the iLSM.

Tpm'd lol once in a blue moon.

The CSS machines do get TPM'd at the start each night