A Few things to consider !

[RHONE]

So basically what is the point then your saying don't vote no you should be letting your members have a choice otherwise what's the point another reason why I stopped paying a fiver a week

[RHONE]

Yet again Martin wades in with a rallying call for his yes vote, all the reasons to vote for this agreement, no negativity it's like when moses came down off, the mountain with his tablets.
So you put everything you have negotiated in front of your members and still feel the need to defend it, do you think your members are illiterate?
They can read exactly what it says and vote whichever way they believe is best for them, that's democracy in action.
You telling your members of what might happen if they don't vote it in isn't really on, lets face it you don't really know what the company intend if it's a no, sure they can threaten what they like but you can also push back by withdrawing labour from the workforce, and i think that's the sticking point as the union appear to be running scared of the company.
You are scared for your own self preservation, that's not what the members pay you to do, they pay you to protect all their rights and to negotiate pay rises/t&c's.
Stop trying to run this company, there's a lot of people paid even more than you to do that, and start doing what's best for your members and their workplace.

[Mr Rush]

All posties are already overworked, you can’t make any more savings by giving them more work.

I'm trying to think of an analogy...

It's like flying a plane. We're already at maximum altitude but they want us to reach the Moon - a place beyond the limit at which neither engines nor wings work. Meanwhile Evri and Amazon are moonwalking on Kubrick's soundstage.

[funkflex55]

Martin Walsh

"You lot better accept your 20 lashings! If you do not then Royal mail will give you 25!"

[TopperGas]

at this point they know there’s nothing they can do to stop this race to bottom and gig economy is coming regardless.

That's my reading too.

9. Voting no [...] is the road to oblivion and there is no way this union can allow Royal Mail to impose change or walk away totally from equalisation.

I find that paragraph very difficult to understand. Is it saying a no vote will put the CWU in a difficult position? It feels like it ends early and there should be a 'but...' at the end. The unsaid implication is that the CWU will huff and they will puff and they will poop their pants in defiance.

Surely the CWU should be reflecting it's members views not telling it's member they must vote "yes" when they don't accept the proposals being made? It's almost as if the CWU have got to some kind backhander or similar from RM if they can persuade us to vote "yes".

Regardless I can't really see what we gain from voting "Yes" when by doing so we're voting to do additional work with no extra pay etc, why didn't the CWU get RM to agree to a £250/£500 bonus once DM26 is successfully introduced in a DO?

If we vote "no" and RM do try and impose the changes by EA surely we then need a further vote to see if the CWU's members are willing to take IA to try and fight the changes?

[SpacePhoenix]

At my DO we constantly have at least 10 agency staff in helping out. The cost per hour of agency staff is nearly double what Royal Mail would pay a postie. Fill office vacancies and do away with agency staff, obviously Christmas is different, but the rest of the year should have no agency staff at all, it is a waste of money.

We have loads of casuals in on every shift, everyday. On some shifts on some days getting very near if not more than half of staff on shift are casuals.

[Lfc1983]

Martin Walsh

"You lot better accept your 20 lashings! If you do not then Royal mail will give you 25!"

Haha that's actually spot on

[sfxdby]

My Union does not or cannot stand up to the employer.
It is broken.

When the company started to introduce 'new contracts' the Union should have realised that this is a fundamental tenet of being in a Union that cannot be undermined, and we should have taken Industrial Action until the contract was the same as 'legacy.' Even the terms make me feel sick.
At this point, it was broken, and no amount of backpaddling is going to fix it.

We are the Union, and we cannot accept a difference in contracts.

Whether I vote Yes or No in this consultative ballot makes very little difference. It is only a consultative ballot and the Union has only negotiated a few little tidbits for encouraging the majority who usually vote 'Yes' when they are told.
And we can look forward to three year's time when terms and conditions will be stripped. I wonder what percentage of employees then will be in the Union, and what percentage were when new contracts were introduced. Will there be any fight then?

I just feel that they have all been paid-off to smooth the way for the gig-economy.

[wally11]

More shameful pro company pro billionaire guff from a guy who’s supposed to be representing their paying members. How’s about yourself, Dave and Bouch get yourselves into a DO next week and show us all how you 3 can cover 4 deliveries under this new system. Be interesting to see what you have to say about call rates and “heavy and light” by next Friday. Your heads would be spinning at the amount of tracked we do every day, you have no idea.
Your DM26 will fail, there’s nothing more you can squeeze out of us.

[TopperGas]

Not the best of timing for MW to suggest that RM is about to go bust when they've now just announced this year's bonuses for HR etc staff if up to £2K!!

[Perseus]

I just hope that everyone who says they are going to vote (either way) has done it.
I’ve lost count of the amount of times I’ve heard people mouth off that they are going to vote for something then admit a few weeks later they didn’t.

[A2B]

I just hope that everyone who says they are going to vote (either way) has done it.
I’ve lost count of the amount of times I’ve heard people mouth off that they are going to vote for something then admit a few weeks later they didn’t.

Agreed

I've not asked anyone at my office which way they have voted but a few have volunteered that they have voted no and the main reason for voting no was the total lack of information from the CWU of how DM26 will work at a local level.

[Nickvilla20]

I just hope that everyone who says they are going to vote (either way) has done it.
I’ve lost count of the amount of times I’ve heard people mouth off that they are going to vote for something then admit a few weeks later they didn’t.

Agreed

I've not asked anyone at my office which way they have voted but a few have volunteered that they have voted no and the main reason for voting no was the total lack of information from the CWU of how DM26 will work at a local level.

Same reason I’ve voted no. If they said before hand we will get more Saturdays off then I would probably voted yes.

Change is obviously coming so we may as well get a little something out of the deal.

[derekm]

A lot of good posts on here regarding dm26. So if this hits the fan will we be onto dm27 pretty soon. Dk didn’t buy this company for a laugh it’s going to be stripped bare. Assets sold off and rented back, the pension surplus is another thing eyes will be on especially how much is there.gls is the star of the company that’s making money so wouldn’t be surprised down the line they say letters are done we don’t want them and it’s down to the government to sort it out.

[TopperGas]

A lot of good posts on here regarding dm26. So if this hits the fan will we be onto dm27 pretty soon. Dk didn’t buy this company for a laugh it’s going to be stripped bare. Assets sold off and rented back, the pension surplus is another thing eyes will be on especially how much is there.gls is the star of the company that’s making money so wouldn’t be surprised down the line they say letters are done we don’t want them and it’s down to the government to sort it out.

DK has no history of asset stripping but does have an history of turning failing businesses around and making them profitable.