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tramssirhc
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Re: Update

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Perseus wrote:
17 Mar 2026, 18:43
The problem the CWU have, is that this time last year they were fully onboard with the ODM. Literally selling it to the members all over social media. Saying there was no plan B. Saying that the company needed to do it. Explaining in minute detail how it was going to work. Given the chance to handpick a number of trial offices (you'd pick ones that are fully staffed, operating well, maybe a little scope to increase delivery length - likely to succeed - wouldn't you??).
But now we are told the ODM is dead instead of the reasons that it didn't work - other than it didn't work in the majority of the trial offices - why the secrecy, what made it work in some but not others. If it's a scale thing, bring it in gradually. Why not learn from that instead of keeping offices in turmoil up and down the country.
It seems pretty obvious that some sort of revision would have been needed to make walks a maximum size before ODM was brought in. Instead, we are a year on, in a dispute, and RM are up in front of the select committee again.
Pretty much all the issues that came with the ODM trials would have been known to the CWU before it started and you can bet they will still be there with the Heavy and Light model - if indeed we are not to deliver 2nd class mail every day and parcels only on a Saturday, there are only so many ways this can be dressed up. It's the reason people are saying both sound very similar.
ODM isn't an issue for the CWU. They agreed it. The real issue for the CWU is money for the leadership. The executive can live with 25% less workers. What they can't live with is the lack of income as a result of different terms and conditions. Workers are leaving and will not join the CWU. As well as the financial damage, to add to its bankruptcy, it also exposes the lack of membership. Whilst the check off is used as the primary source of income the CWU cannot deny it's numbers.

The executive aren't bothered about jobs, all they care about is getting money from the workers in what jobs are left. That's how short slighted and selfish they are.

An alternative delivery method really is not the issue as there's only so much each worker can do. The issue is the delivery profile and the deferring of traffic. There's a reason why clear offices have ruled for decades - the minute the traffic gets delayed it can't be recovered.

There is no mystery or secrecy about the trials. Workers have spoken openly about what it has meant for them. It's hard to keep a secret when the basics of the trials are well known - 25% less workers doing the work. Unless there is 25% less work then the result does not need a genius to work it out.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
tramssirhc
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Re: Update

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Mr Rush wrote:
17 Mar 2026, 20:49
Perseus wrote:
17 Mar 2026, 18:43
The problem the CWU have, is that this time last year they were fully onboard with the ODM.
Just six months ago, in their September issue, Your Voice was reporting from the trial offices with a very bury-the-lede and read-between-the-lines style.

I presume the union didn't turn against the ODM on a bi-polar whim, but on hard facts. The trials clearly uncovered them, so where is the report? Is it all wrapped up in commercial secrecy?
ODM isn't an issue for the CWU. They agreed it. The real issue for the CWU is money for the leadership. The executive can live with 25% less workers. What they can't live with is the lack of income as a result of different terms and conditions. Workers are leaving and will not join the CWU. As well as the financial damage, to add to its bankruptcy, it also exposes the lack of membership. Whilst the check off is used as the primary source of income the CWU cannot deny it's numbers.

The executive aren't bothered about jobs, all they care about is getting money from the workers in what jobs are left. That's how short slighted and selfish they are.

An alternative delivery method really is not the issue as there's only so much each worker can do. The issue is the delivery profile and the deferring of traffic. There's a reason why clear offices have ruled for decades - the minute the traffic gets delayed it can't be recovered.

There is no mystery or secrecy about the trials. Workers have spoken openly about what it has meant for them. It's hard to keep a secret when the basics of the trials are well known - 25% less workers doing the work. Unless there is 25% less work then the result does not need a genius to work it out
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
Acca Dacca
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Re: Update

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A2B wrote:
17 Mar 2026, 20:53
ODM is coming in, it may not be 100% what RM intended it to be but a version of ODM is coming to us all very soon
That’s never been argued against

We all knew change was coming with the USO

The proposed and piloted ODM is all that was ever being accepted or rejected

The method in which it’s delivered not whether there’s any change or not


Things stating as they were two years ago has never been on the cards and surely no one expected that outcome
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TopperGas
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Once OFCOM approved the changes to the USO in the form of the ODM it was always going to be rolled out by RM, the best the CWU could was hope to get some concessions. Hopefully the pilot offices have highlighted the 3 into 4 duties is unworkable.
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Re: Update

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Any USO reform was always going to mean the delaying of second class mail. Both the CWU and RM are on the same page with this.
The ODM specified that 2nd class goes every second day amongst all items, first class and parcels every day - it’s literally the least worst of all the options. Yet it doesn’t work.
If that didn’t work, then I don’t think anything will, hence we are where we are.
ted_e_bear
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Re: Update

Post by ted_e_bear »

Perseus wrote:
18 Mar 2026, 13:12
Any USO reform was always going to mean the delaying of second class mail. Both the CWU and RM are on the same page with this.
The ODM specified that 2nd class goes every second day amongst all items, first class and parcels every day - it’s literally the least worst of all the options. Yet it doesn’t work.
If that didn’t work, then I don’t think anything will, hence we are where we are.
I thought the original idea was to plan duties that could be completed with a high call rate, 90% or whatever so allowing for 2-3 days worth of 2nd class etc, obviously that would have meant more duties and more staff but it might actually have worked, perhaps it's the only way to go rather than repeatedly polishing the same turd.
Perseus
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Re: Update

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ted_e_bear wrote:
18 Mar 2026, 13:28
Perseus wrote:
18 Mar 2026, 13:12
Any USO reform was always going to mean the delaying of second class mail. Both the CWU and RM are on the same page with this.
The ODM specified that 2nd class goes every second day amongst all items, first class and parcels every day - it’s literally the least worst of all the options. Yet it doesn’t work.
If that didn’t work, then I don’t think anything will, hence we are where we are.
I agree, where it’s necessary (the majority I’d imagine) pla for a 5 hour delivery span at 80-90%.
But this has never been mentioned as a way of making it work. All I’ve heard is money being thrown at offices on overtime to make the ODM look feasible.

I thought the original idea was to plan duties that could be completed with a high call rate, 90% or whatever so allowing for 2-3 days worth of 2nd class etc, obviously that would have meant more duties and more staff but it might actually have worked, perhaps it's the only way to go rather than repeatedly polishing the same turd.
Acca Dacca
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Re: Update

Post by Acca Dacca »

What is still being fed to the media and public is that the only change is to what is delivered on a Saturday
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Perseus
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Re: Update

Post by Perseus »

Acca Dacca wrote:
18 Mar 2026, 13:42
What is still being fed to the media and public is that the only change is to what is delivered on a Saturday
There’s about 3-4 ‘Saturdays’ a week in my office…..
Valentina@1
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Post by Valentina@1 »

This feels like a self sabotage job to me,almost like RM/EP don’t want it to work 😱
fadetogrey63
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Re: Update

Post by fadetogrey63 »

Hopefully the pilot offices have highlighted the 3 into 4 duties is unworkable.
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We were told by our manager this week the 3 in 4 is dead in the water and all the colour coding they did on the frames wes a waste of money, it's not happening.. What our manager and union rep said is the the 6 in 8 will prob be the one they will go for, with heavy and light days..
Rommagic
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6 into 8 is the same as 3 into 4.
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What about 5 into 6.
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Re: Update

Post by Mr Rush »

Acca Dacca wrote:
18 Mar 2026, 11:31
We all knew change was coming with the USO
I hate to harp on about this, but this is the hill I am going to die on.

The USO is not changing. Parliament hasn't changed the law and parliament is highly unlikely to change it for the forseeable future. The delivery specification remains a six day service. All that Ofcom (not parliament) changed was relaxing the targets for 2nd Class to enable the ODM to meet the spec on a technicality.
Rommagic wrote:
18 Mar 2026, 16:07
6 into 8 is the same as 3 into 4.
Mathematically, yes. Yet six bodies is more than three so they'll be digging far less of a hole for themselves.
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tramssirhc
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Re: Update

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Mr Rush is spot on. There is no USO change. Unless the traffic profile changes, e.g. DTS stops, there will always be failures.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren