Cwu executives

[hans solo]

Dave and martin
Every other officer of cwu
And pec
Should be handing in their resignations now
According to RM statement they have misled the whole membership over equalising of pay for new entrants
They put it on the IA ballot papers to het a yes vote
They lied

[tramssirhc]

Martin's left you a message.

[hans solo]

He speak with forked tongue

[hans solo]

And whats dave saying

[qwerty2]

And whats dave saying

He’s polishing his CBE

[TopperGas]

Can anybody believe a word RM says when they claim the pilots are all going well? As somebody else posted in RM are still struggling financially after the 3 months of hell we've all been through they may as well give up trying to be profitable

[Sean06]

Dave and martin
Every other officer of cwu
And pec
Should be handing in their resignations now
According to RM statement they have misled the whole membership over equalising of pay for new entrants
They put it on the IA ballot papers to het a yes vote
They lied

An you believe rm

[Martin Walsh]

Hans it says everything that you believe what Royal Mail have said in a comms when they say the pilots are improving both quality and cost wise.

In addition they are critical of the CWU linking The equalisation of new entrant pay , terms and conditions to a USO agreement and the CWU’s proposal on equalisation is unaffordable.

Remember it is only the CWU who are fighting to stop ODM and get equalisation.

Members will be able to pick a side shortly back the union and oppose ODM and support equalisation or moan and groan and let Royal Mail and EP impose ODM and break their commitment to equalise new entrants.

Remember if they impose it , they will likely do it first to those offices where they believe they will get the least resistance.

It is time for the union to come together and decide which side your on. Sitting on the fence means you’re part of the problem.

This union is not agreeing ODM and will resist it by all means possible and we are determined to improve new entrants terms within any USO agreement which would have to be based on the Heavy and light model or also known as the 50/50 model.

I know that there will be hundreds of offices up for a row if they try and impose ODM.

So it is really is time you decided whether your going to hold some of our members coats whilst they are willing to fight or apply pressure for a better deal or your willing to take your coat off.

I got more votes than the last DGSP in 2016 so I have a mandate and whilst we will go into the DRP with the aim of reaching an agreement in USO which is not ODM and we will want to improve new entrants terms there is also the real possibility that we will not reach an agreement.

So people can make excuses about the Last dispute , the last pay deal. Do you really think those involved in the 1971 dispute or the employer agenda in 1996 did not have doubts over the success of those disputes.

Yet it did not stop those members from deciding that you either fold and accept what the employer wants or you resist and fight. You always get a better deal if you’re prepared to stand up.

It is really is mad that anonymous individuals feel empowered to slag of individuals behind a screen who would never have the courage to say that in a discussion at a meeting.

[Neverwasadoor]

Martin,
I was out last time and would be out this time if required, but and its a big but are the red lines going to stay red lines and we are not going to get so far and then say "the company has no money" or say "make no mistake they would of brought it in anyway"
If you're not prepared to go to the end then there is no point.

[norris9]

A lot of us are on the old terms and agree everyone should be paid/treated equally, but we aren't emotionally or financially tied to that side of the fight for better pay and T&Cs.

In regards to the USO changes, knowing Royal Mail very well now - I am sure the trials weren't even done properly or fairly. Every office is different. A lot of things are dependent on various factors...

-Size of duties.
-Speed and efficiency of posties.
-Organisation from management.
-Is there day off/float cover.

I am hearing many offices didn't get duties put back in after they were taken out ~3 years ago, whereas some offices did. Our office hasn't had day off/float cover for 4 years. If the new USO changes came in they'd need to make sure we have that day off cover. How do I even know that would happen. We have old contract posties working shorter days, newer contract posties working longer days - are the USO changes built more around those on the longer days?

Van-sharing doesn't work - it's inefficient. Having no day-off cover means 2 days mail on one day each week, then some of it rolling over into the days after. It's not like we are working in well organised offices right now - we haven't been for 4 years+.

How do any of us really know if the USO changes would or wouldn't work for our office.

[Sean06]

Hans it says everything that you believe what Royal Mail have said in a comms when they say the pilots are improving both quality and cost wise.

In addition they are critical of the CWU linking The equalisation of new entrant pay , terms and conditions to a USO agreement and the CWU’s proposal on equalisation is unaffordable.

Remember it is only the CWU who are fighting to stop ODM and get equalisation.

Members will be able to pick a side shortly back the union and oppose ODM and support equalisation or moan and groan and let Royal Mail and EP impose ODM and break their commitment to equalise new entrants.

Remember if they impose it , they will likely do it first to those offices where they believe they will get the least resistance.

It is time for the union to come together and decide which side your on. Sitting on the fence means you’re part of the problem.

This union is not agreeing ODM and will resist it by all means possible and we are determined to improve new entrants terms within any USO agreement which would have to be based on the Heavy and light model or also known as the 50/50 model.

I know that there will be hundreds of offices up for a row if they try and impose ODM.

So it is really is time you decided whether your going to hold some of our members coats whilst they are willing to fight or apply pressure for a better deal or your willing to take your coat off.

I got more votes than the last DGSP in 2016 so I have a mandate and whilst we will go into the DRP with the aim of reaching an agreement in USO which is not ODM and we will want to improve new entrants terms there is also the real possibility that we will not reach an agreement.

So people can make excuses about the Last dispute , the last pay deal. Do you really think those involved in the 1971 dispute or the employer agenda in 1996 did not have doubts over the success of those disputes.

Yet it did not stop those members from deciding that you either fold and accept what the employer wants or you resist and fight. You always get a better deal if you’re prepared to stand up.

It is really is mad that anonymous individuals feel empowered to slag of individuals behind a screen who would never have the courage to say that in a discussion at a meeting.

an he is also one of the biggest moaner's on here.

[chickenwittle]

It amazes me how quick people on here are prepared to put the boot into the CWU and take everything Royal Mail say as gospel.The CWU could quite easily of separated the odm change from the new entrants issue but chose to link them in the hope it would give them more leverage in negotiating because both sides wanted something.That tells me they are looking out for everyone here and not just legacy workers, let’s not forget it was Royal Mail that brought these contracts in without CWU agreement. Back your union , they are the only ones standing between us and a billionaire employer that doesn’t have our best interests at heart.

[scotchy1962]

I have no skin in the game and feel playing devils advocate is the best i can offer, firstly on the companys statement, because they got away with executive action last time chances are they think it will happen again, equalisation was always going to be a problem as why give yourself more costs when you really don't have too and lying to the union and workforce is second nature to them. Enforcing some sort of way of working will give them a starting point, if it works or not is immaterial to RM they just want to push on with it and prove it doesn't work to ofcom so they can try to dilute the letter service further and maybe even try dump it altogether. The universal service is a costly inconvenience.
As for what the union and Martin says, problem is you can beat your chest all you like and ask the membership to stand up and be counted to defend your jobs and terms, but unfortunately the last time you did this wasn't very long ago and when you beat your chest the workforce came out and delivered a massive "YES" and you proceeded to then fold and cave in to the company and no matter how you try to spin it people haven't forgot.
So where do you go?
Well that would be up to you the membership, i would vote for IA and stand at the gate because i feel this is probably the last stand for you guys, but i could totally understand anyone who doesn't want any action after the last time.
Difficult one because you are probably damned if you do and damned if you don't so good luck.

[hans solo]

sean the sheep

[chickenwittle]

sean the sheep

As opposed to someone that believes everything Royal Mail tell them