Equalization of the terms of the new contract and the old one

[matrix123]

Don't know about other offices, but these new contracts like someone said get paid a better overtime rate I believe, hardly any learn different walks, fail to work efficiently or lack of effort (mix of poor training and the individuals) , and none learn any sorting and just put their own jobs out before sorters have even finished. So it's not all unfair tbh, id say the only unfair thing from what I am seeing is the paid breaks tbh. Equal pay for equal workload, more experienced staff appear to be doing a hell of a lot more sorting before even touching the duties. Then most try to clear on top.

[TopperGas]

Just look for a new job as it's fairly obvious to anybody who has worked at RM for a few years nothing is likely to change in the short term, if RM can get away with paying some staff less than others why are they suddenly going to start paying them £m's more, one day new contracts will out number old contracts and that's when paid breaks and D2D/Delivery Supplements will disappear.

Regardless of the contracts situation new starters are always going to be treated differently, that seems the way RM/the CWU are happy to work, I find it odd somebody with 20 years experience gets the easiest duties in the office/rarely changes duties, a new starter the hardest and is moved week by week, I can't imagine that happens in any other company.

[Peabrain22]

Apparently paid breaks is the 1st step to be implemented. But as someone else also said there has been no work of anybody for 3 weeks now..we are bound to hear something in the next week.. Will the paid breaks start September 1st for example? There is so much shallowness in the actual whole setup for this new pathway ..one wonders do they even know themselves what the 1st and 2nd steps are

[Smoothbackground]

Don't know about other offices, but these new contracts like someone said get paid a better overtime rate I believe, hardly any learn different walks, fail to work efficiently or lack of effort (mix of poor training and the individuals) , and none learn any sorting and just put their own jobs out before sorters have even finished. So it's not all unfair tbh, id say the only unfair thing from what I am seeing is the paid breaks tbh. Equal pay for equal workload, more experienced staff appear to be doing a hell of a lot more sorting before even touching the duties. Then most try to clear on top.

Just in your office, pal.

All our new-entrant posties know the sorting, though some are admittedly more fluent than others. Indeed, there are only 30 people in our office of 180 who know the sorting properly, and 16 of those sorters are new entrants who do early IPS and bullring sorting every day! One of them barely speaks English yet my gaffer says he is the quickest sorter he has encountered in over 40 years working for RM.

With the exception of two firms duties, I know every walk in our office, including the deep rurals. Other experienced new-entrants are likewise expected to know the duties.

Our full time hybrid duties will do early prep as OT, then a full van duty (singleton or van share), then come back thereafter to do the tracked for a lapsed walk. From this side of the fence, it would seem ”experienced” staff, as you euphemistically describe them, are getting away with blue murder — though I fully anticipate you replying along the lines of only at my office!

[SkiSunday]

What is the hourly pay rate in "just your office pal"again?

Outwith the majority of £12.54 hourly rates btw lol

[SkiSunday]

Don't know about other offices, but these new contracts like someone said get paid a better overtime rate I believe, hardly any learn different walks, fail to work efficiently or lack of effort (mix of poor training and the individuals) , and none learn any sorting and just put their own jobs out before sorters have even finished. So it's not all unfair tbh, id say the only unfair thing from what I am seeing is the paid breaks tbh. Equal pay for equal workload, more experienced staff appear to be doing a hell of a lot more sorting before even touching the duties. Then most try to clear on top.

Just in your office, pal.

All our new-entrant posties know the sorting, though some are admittedly more fluent than others. Indeed, there are only 30 people in our office of 180 who know the sorting properly, and 16 of those sorters are new entrants who do early IPS and bullring sorting every day! One of them barely speaks English yet my gaffer says he is the quickest sorter he has encountered in over 40 years working for RM.

With the exception of two firms duties, I know every walk in our office, including the deep rurals. Other experienced new-entrants are likewise expected to know the duties.

Our full time hybrid duties will do early prep as OT, then a full van duty (singleton or van share), then come back thereafter to do the tracked for a lapsed walk. From this side of the fence, it would seem ”experienced” staff, as you euphemistically describe them, are getting away with blue murder — though I fully anticipate you replying along the lines of only at my office!

So you don't actually do a DPR shift then?

[TooManyLoops]

Roman and Whippy, you’re both spot on. I’m sorry your true comments have been rubbished and poo-pooed by the usual culprits, who immediately accuse you of being a troll.

They are griping about having to fuel a van, or park it. What does this have to do with old and new contracts?

Our DO is 90% shared duties, the walker loops are longer than the driver, who does larger (than a shoebox) packets and larger (than a shoebox) collections

Singleton duties (which I am) have to do both what the walker and driver of a paired duty do

Usual suspect? I hardly post in here!

The OP is whining about being a driver, maybe they should do the easier walking part then

[matrix123]

Don't know about other offices, but these new contracts like someone said get paid a better overtime rate I believe, hardly any learn different walks, fail to work efficiently or lack of effort (mix of poor training and the individuals) , and none learn any sorting and just put their own jobs out before sorters have even finished. So it's not all unfair tbh, id say the only unfair thing from what I am seeing is the paid breaks tbh. Equal pay for equal workload, more experienced staff appear to be doing a hell of a lot more sorting before even touching the duties. Then most try to clear on top.

Just in your office, pal.

All our new-entrant posties know the sorting, though some are admittedly more fluent than others. Indeed, there are only 30 people in our office of 180 who know the sorting properly, and 16 of those sorters are new entrants who do early IPS and bullring sorting every day! One of them barely speaks English yet my gaffer says he is the quickest sorter he has encountered in over 40 years working for RM.

With the exception of two firms duties, I know every walk in our office, including the deep rurals. Other experienced new-entrants are likewise expected to know the duties.

Our full time hybrid duties will do early prep as OT, then a full van duty (singleton or van share), then come back thereafter to do the tracked for a lapsed walk. From this side of the fence, it would seem ”experienced” staff, as you euphemistically describe them, are getting away with blue murder — though I fully anticipate you replying along the lines of only at my office!

Really doesnt ring true to me this...and giving attitude also makes me think even more so..won't be getting involved in this utter nonsense..enjoy your weekend superman

[Woody84]

Don't know about other offices, but these new contracts like someone said get paid a better overtime rate I believe, hardly any learn different walks, fail to work efficiently or lack of effort (mix of poor training and the individuals) , and none learn any sorting and just put their own jobs out before sorters have even finished. So it's not all unfair tbh, id say the only unfair thing from what I am seeing is the paid breaks tbh. Equal pay for equal workload, more experienced staff appear to be doing a hell of a lot more sorting before even touching the duties. Then most try to clear on top.

Any jobs going in your office? Sounds bliss for us newbies…

I’m bounced all over the shop as day off cover, double packets here there and every where and only ever had three days consecutively on a walk. I cover rurals, afternoons and help with sorting + LAT’s.

[Londonsburning]

Don't know about other offices, but these new contracts like someone said get paid a better overtime rate I believe, hardly any learn different walks, fail to work efficiently or lack of effort (mix of poor training and the individuals) , and none learn any sorting and just put their own jobs out before sorters have even finished. So it's not all unfair tbh, id say the only unfair thing from what I am seeing is the paid breaks tbh. Equal pay for equal workload, more experienced staff appear to be doing a hell of a lot more sorting before even touching the duties. Then most try to clear on top.

Any jobs going in your office? Sounds bliss for us newbies…

I’m bounced all over the shop as day off cover, double packets here there and every where and only ever had three days consecutively on a walk. I cover rurals, afternoons and help with sorting + LAT’s.

Strange that. I had the same for the first 5 years of my employment as a P/T OPG. Yet I got paid a lesser hourly rate for any overtime performed... Also it used to be a far more difficult job to stay employed in..

[Londonsburning]

Don't know about other offices, but these new contracts like someone said get paid a better overtime rate I believe, hardly any learn different walks, fail to work efficiently or lack of effort (mix of poor training and the individuals) , and none learn any sorting and just put their own jobs out before sorters have even finished. So it's not all unfair tbh, id say the only unfair thing from what I am seeing is the paid breaks tbh. Equal pay for equal workload, more experienced staff appear to be doing a hell of a lot more sorting before even touching the duties. Then most try to clear on top.

Any jobs going in your office? Sounds bliss for us newbies…

I’m bounced all over the shop as day off cover, double packets here there and every where and only ever had three days consecutively on a walk. I cover rurals, afternoons and help with sorting + LAT’s.

Are you not a key holder too? Not sure why you would walk away from a family business to take a minimum wage OPG job, then complain about it here. But you do you pal.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

Newbie bashing is a popular pastime among a certain section of the workforce. Generally these type of people spend most of their time worrying that someone else might be having an easier day than them to the point where it becomes an unhealthy obsession that eats them up. They are the type of people who hide van keys to stop afternoon drivers getting them and refer to it as "my van". They will whine about how crap DPR drivers are despite the DPR drivers doing almost all of the tracked off their duty so that they get to finish early. They'll scrutinise the overtime docket to see what everyone else is claiming. They really don't want the contracts equalising as they think thats a pay rise that they won't get, thats how warped their sense of reality has become.

Definitely hasn't been an easy ride for new people in our office whether they are walkers or drivers. None of it is easy. I've done both. Theres a morbidly obese ogre works in the locker at a neighboring office and he is widely regarded as the most unpleasant, rude man in the entire region, hes the only person I've met with a really easy job, hes been at RM since the 1980s and just sits in there being unpleasant to new people all day when they ask for van keys or PDAs. Now thats an easy job.

[Roman88]

Roman and Whippy, you’re both spot on. I’m sorry your true comments have been rubbished and poo-pooed by the usual culprits, who immediately accuse you of being a troll.

They are griping about having to fuel a van, or park it. What does this have to do with old and new contracts?

Our DO is 90% shared duties, the walker loops are longer than the driver, who does larger (than a shoebox) packets and larger (than a shoebox) collections

Singleton duties (which I am) have to do both what the walker and driver of a paired duty do

Usual suspect? I hardly post in here!

The OP is whining about being a driver, maybe they should do the easier walking part then

Every depot is different. I’m glad to hear that in yours drivers don’t complain, because in ours there have already been more than a few disputes. Many people have left – one long-serving employee even said that in 30 years he’s never seen so many resignations.

I mentioned things like checking and fuelling the van as “small bricks” – individually they don’t seem like much, but they add up, take time, and increase stress.

In our depot, there are no clearly separate rounds for walkers and drivers. Drivers are moved around everywhere, and on top of that we also take the large parcels.

Let me give you an example: a walker and I may cover a similar route with a similar number of parcels, except he doesn’t take the large ones. Meanwhile, I carry letters plus 30–50% more parcels – with the same amount of time to finish the round. While most people keep their regular route, we drivers are constantly shifted around to clear backlogs and support others wherever needed. Oversized deliveries before 1 p.m., large items to collect – it’s impossible to just clear a street in one loop, because we also have to keep breaking off for big parcels.

[Smoothbackground]

Newbie bashing is a popular pastime among a certain section of the workforce. Generally these type of people spend most of their time worrying that someone else might be having an easier day than them to the point where it becomes an unhealthy obsession that eats them up. They are the type of people who hide van keys to stop afternoon drivers getting them and refer to it as "my van". They will whine about how crap DPR drivers are despite the DPR drivers doing almost all of the tracked off their duty so that they get to finish early. They'll scrutinise the overtime docket to see what everyone else is claiming. They really don't want the contracts equalising as they think thats a pay rise that they won't get, thats how warped their sense of reality has become.

Definitely hasn't been an easy ride for new people in our office whether they are walkers or drivers. None of it is easy. I've done both. Theres a morbidly obese ogre works in the locker at a neighboring office and he is widely regarded as the most unpleasant, rude man in the entire region, hes the only person I've met with a really easy job, hes been at RM since the 1980s and just sits in there being unpleasant to new people all day when they ask for van keys or PDAs. Now thats an easy job.

Spot on, fella. You hit the nail on the head with your examples of the pettiness and hostility experienced daily. 10/10

Does the “certain section” you mention predominantly wear blue shirts? Us newbies at my office call it BSS (Blue Shirt Sh*t/Syndrome) or BSM (Blue Shirt Madness/Mentality).

[Agencyoap]

My guess, they are a DPR driver
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Lolol thank fcuk most legacies ain’t like you - you are, of course a proper postman while we DPRs are just unskilled drivers who should know our place
There’s 450 staff at our DO and thank fcuk only a few are dinosaurs like you