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"Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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Dano boy wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 10:57
Job cuts in the masses will happen in mail centres. That's a definite. Casuals are easy to come by for evening or night shift operations as it fits around their other jobs . Automation increasing over the years and more effectively. Also reckon you'll see a few mail centres close and possibly a 3 rd new hub in the south built as heard the bosses are not wanting a continuous flow of artics or 7.5t lorries travelling from south east or south west to midland hub . I say watch this space as the new hub in the pipeline and legacy workers forced out die to their sickness and pension costs
Increased automation will eventually have a knock-on affect in DOs. Once there's enough automation capacity, RM will likely have packets sorted down to walk level, which will mean less indoor time in DOs and more outdoor time.
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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 11:24
Dano boy wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 10:57
Job cuts in the masses will happen in mail centres. That's a definite. Casuals are easy to come by for evening or night shift operations as it fits around their other jobs . Automation increasing over the years and more effectively. Also reckon you'll see a few mail centres close and possibly a 3 rd new hub in the south built as heard the bosses are not wanting a continuous flow of artics or 7.5t lorries travelling from south east or south west to midland hub . I say watch this space as the new hub in the pipeline and legacy workers forced out die to their sickness and pension costs
Increased automation will eventually have a knock-on affect in DOs. Once there's enough automation capacity, RM will likely have packets sorted down to walk level, which will mean less indoor time in DOs and more outdoor time.

Whoever sends our work to us can't even get the right office most days, we get at least two other offices mixed in most days.
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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 11:24

Increased automation will eventually have a knock-on affect in DOs. Once there's enough automation capacity, RM will likely have packets sorted down to walk level, which will mean less indoor time in DOs and more outdoor time.

Well, that is the long game that RM is playing. Our office still pays staff overtime to manual sort parcels into postcode area's and IPS so this would immediately be cut. There is no doubt that RM will save millions by reducing indoor hours doing this.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 11:24

Increased automation will eventually have a knock-on affect in DOs. Once there's enough automation capacity, RM will likely have packets sorted down to walk level, which will mean less indoor time in DOs and more outdoor time.
It's unlikely parcels would ever be segregated to duty level, although this would remove some indoor time in a DO it would be minimal across all deliveries and the impact on distribution would be significant and negate any savings , the increase in the number of Yorks needed to split the parcels into individual duties would mean far too many trucks, fuel and drivers.
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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 18:24
SpacePhoenix wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 11:24

Increased automation will eventually have a knock-on affect in DOs. Once there's enough automation capacity, RM will likely have packets sorted down to walk level, which will mean less indoor time in DOs and more outdoor time.
It's unlikely parcels would ever be segregated to duty level, although this would remove some indoor time in a DO it would be minimal across all deliveries and the impact on distribution would be significant and negate any savings , the increase in the number of Yorks needed to split the parcels into individual duties would mean far too many trucks, fuel and drivers.
Even a small office would need at least 20 Yorks. I can see how attractive the idea is to the suits because they have no concept of the practicalities.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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Idk wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 14:18
SpacePhoenix wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 11:24
Dano boy wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 10:57
Job cuts in the masses will happen in mail centres. That's a definite. Casuals are easy to come by for evening or night shift operations as it fits around their other jobs . Automation increasing over the years and more effectively. Also reckon you'll see a few mail centres close and possibly a 3 rd new hub in the south built as heard the bosses are not wanting a continuous flow of artics or 7.5t lorries travelling from south east or south west to midland hub . I say watch this space as the new hub in the pipeline and legacy workers forced out die to their sickness and pension costs
Increased automation will eventually have a knock-on affect in DOs. Once there's enough automation capacity, RM will likely have packets sorted down to walk level, which will mean less indoor time in DOs and more outdoor time.

Whoever sends our work to us can't even get the right office most days, we get at least two other offices mixed in most days.
Let me guess, the york header cards are purple and white?
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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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Barnacle wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 18:52
Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 18:24
SpacePhoenix wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 11:24

Increased automation will eventually have a knock-on affect in DOs. Once there's enough automation capacity, RM will likely have packets sorted down to walk level, which will mean less indoor time in DOs and more outdoor time.
It's unlikely parcels would ever be segregated to duty level, although this would remove some indoor time in a DO it would be minimal across all deliveries and the impact on distribution would be significant and negate any savings , the increase in the number of Yorks needed to split the parcels into individual duties would mean far too many trucks, fuel and drivers.
Even a small office would need at least 20 Yorks. I can see how attractive the idea is to the suits because they have no concept of the practicalities.
Nope. Just needs a second machine which does the sorting to walk level. Operating on the same principle as the CSS, the larger machine sorts the packets into batches, the smaller machine sorts the contents of them batches into bags, one bag for each walk.
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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 19:56
Barnacle wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 18:52
Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 18:24
SpacePhoenix wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 11:24

Increased automation will eventually have a knock-on affect in DOs. Once there's enough automation capacity, RM will likely have packets sorted down to walk level, which will mean less indoor time in DOs and more outdoor time.
It's unlikely parcels would ever be segregated to duty level, although this would remove some indoor time in a DO it would be minimal across all deliveries and the impact on distribution would be significant and negate any savings , the increase in the number of Yorks needed to split the parcels into individual duties would mean far too many trucks, fuel and drivers.
Even a small office would need at least 20 Yorks. I can see how attractive the idea is to the suits because they have no concept of the practicalities.
Nope. Just needs a second machine which does the sorting to walk level. Operating on the same principle as the CSS, the larger machine sorts the packets into batches, the smaller machine sorts the contents of them batches into bags, one bag for each walk.
You’d have to double that at least. What about oversize? Are they on separate Yorks?

But we need to rewind. There are hundreds of walks that aren’t on one frame. They collect loops from other frames. So they would have to do a revision before any of this.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 19:56
Barnacle wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 18:52
Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 18:24
SpacePhoenix wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 11:24

Increased automation will eventually have a knock-on affect in DOs. Once there's enough automation capacity, RM will likely have packets sorted down to walk level, which will mean less indoor time in DOs and more outdoor time.
It's unlikely parcels would ever be segregated to duty level, although this would remove some indoor time in a DO it would be minimal across all deliveries and the impact on distribution would be significant and negate any savings , the increase in the number of Yorks needed to split the parcels into individual duties would mean far too many trucks, fuel and drivers.
Even a small office would need at least 20 Yorks. I can see how attractive the idea is to the suits because they have no concept of the practicalities.
Nope. Just needs a second machine which does the sorting to walk level. Operating on the same principle as the CSS, the larger machine sorts the packets into batches, the smaller machine sorts the contents of them batches into bags, one bag for each walk.
"Bags" are we going back in time now
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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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Barnacle wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 20:02
You’d have to double that at least. What about oversize? Are they on separate Yorks?
Don't forget that PF is being merged into RM this month, so between them and the DPRs will likely cover all the oversize.
Barnacle wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 20:02
But we need to rewind. There are hundreds of walks that aren’t on one frame. They collect loops from other frames. So they would have to do a revision before any of this.
Pointless having a revision, how many DOs keep the walk data on Route Planner up to date now?
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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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They tried sorting the packets down to 2 walks to a york (like buddy boxes) in an office by us about six months ago, on a Saturday/Sunday night for Monday.
It over doubled the amount of Yorks for that office as you had some excess ones which were only a third full but can't be mixed. It lasted 2 weeks because of the extra runs required, and that's just one office.
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One bag per walk?
*Laughs awkwardly then realises the poor old boy is serious*
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Woody Guthrie wrote:
05 Aug 2025, 06:49
One bag per walk?
*Laughs awkwardly then realises the poor old boy is serious*

Imagine having all your parcels for the day in one 11kg RM postal sack. Those were the days!
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Remember the days of going out with your whole delivery in one brown square bag that had to be strapped to the flat front carrier in the days before black plastic buckets and blue pouches
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Re: "Improving productivity will be key, and that is very likely to mean redundancies and changes to work practices"

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postslippete wrote:
05 Aug 2025, 07:05
Woody Guthrie wrote:
05 Aug 2025, 06:49
One bag per walk?
*Laughs awkwardly then realises the poor old boy is serious*

Imagine having all your parcels for the day in one 11kg RM postal sack. Those were the days!
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