Uso agreement

[claretandblue]

Any 2C or DSA released by the DTS on a Friday night is due for delivery, it's sequenced with the 1C and goes in the same boxes as the 1C. We don't care if a DO fails to deliver it. Not every DO is going to do the same, some will deliver it, some won't. Some of the RODs might insist on all DOs in their area delivering it, some won't.

Any D+2 and D+3 DSA that has hit the time limit for its product will be released.

There are NO changes being made for the time being, I can't see them making any changes now till after Xmas.

Have you got it IN WRITING, signed by someone higher up than an manager in either a MC or a DO that you won't be delivering any 2C on a Saturday?

You started this back and forth by saying you can’t see all Saturdays being shorter and then went on to explain because of the mail being sent to the DO on the Friday

But as said your point is only relevant if that mail NEEDS to and IS be delivered on the Saturday - don’t matter if it’s sent to the DO or not

So that’s where the shorter Saturdays would come from
- the non 1st class delivery points being left to the Monday - even if that mail arrived in the DO on Saturday

It's all only proposals atm. I can't see there being any changes now in either MCs or DOs before the new year.

But you told us that it was coming in "next month"

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Any 2C or DSA released by the DTS on a Friday night is due for delivery, it's sequenced with the 1C and goes in the same boxes as the 1C. We don't care if a DO fails to deliver it. Not every DO is going to do the same, some will deliver it, some won't. Some of the RODs might insist on all DOs in their area delivering it, some won't.

Any D+2 and D+3 DSA that has hit the time limit for its product will be released.

There are NO changes being made for the time being, I can't see them making any changes now till after Xmas.

Have you got it IN WRITING, signed by someone higher up than an manager in either a MC or a DO that you won't be delivering any 2C on a Saturday?

You started this back and forth by saying you can’t see all Saturdays being shorter and then went on to explain because of the mail being sent to the DO on the Friday

But as said your point is only relevant if that mail NEEDS to and IS be delivered on the Saturday - don’t matter if it’s sent to the DO or not

So that’s where the shorter Saturdays would come from
- the non 1st class delivery points being left to the Monday - even if that mail arrived in the DO on Saturday

It's all only proposals atm. I can't see there being any changes now in either MCs or DOs before the new year.

I think it is very unlikely that the 1st class only Saturdays will be scrapped even with a new method of delivering the USO.
More Saturdays off for members was always a priority for the union when the USO requirements changed.
Can't see that changing.

[Acca Dacca]

Any 2C or DSA released by the DTS on a Friday night is due for delivery, it's sequenced with the 1C and goes in the same boxes as the 1C. We don't care if a DO fails to deliver it. Not every DO is going to do the same, some will deliver it, some won't. Some of the RODs might insist on all DOs in their area delivering it, some won't.

Any D+2 and D+3 DSA that has hit the time limit for its product will be released.

There are NO changes being made for the time being, I can't see them making any changes now till after Xmas.

Have you got it IN WRITING, signed by someone higher up than an manager in either a MC or a DO that you won't be delivering any 2C on a Saturday?

You started this back and forth by saying you can’t see all Saturdays being shorter and then went on to explain because of the mail being sent to the DO on the Friday

But as said your point is only relevant if that mail NEEDS to and IS be delivered on the Saturday - don’t matter if it’s sent to the DO or not

So that’s where the shorter Saturdays would come from
- the non 1st class delivery points being left to the Monday - even if that mail arrived in the DO on Saturday

It's all only proposals atm. I can't see there being any changes now in either MCs or DOs before the new year.

Obviously but that wasnt the point you were trying to make

[SpacePhoenix]

But you told us that it was coming in "next month"

Think RM decided that it didn't make them enough savings. Unless any proposed changes make enough savings, then nothing will change.

[claretandblue]

But you told us that it was coming in "next month"

Think RM decided that it didn't make them enough savings. Unless any proposed changes make enough savings, then nothing will change.

Nothing to do with RM, it has to be agreed with the union, and put to a vote of the members.

[SpacePhoenix]

But you told us that it was coming in "next month"

Think RM decided that it didn't make them enough savings. Unless any proposed changes make enough savings, then nothing will change.

Nothing to do with RM, it has to be agreed with the union, and put to a vote of the members.

RM won't agree to anything that doesn't make them enough savings.

[SkiSunday]

But you told us that it was coming in "next month"

Think RM decided that it didn't make them enough savings. Unless any proposed changes make enough savings, then nothing will change.

Nothing to do with RM, it has to be agreed with the union, and put to a vote of the members.

RM won't agree to anything that doesn't make them enough savings.

You post statements on here like they are gospel, but in reality you haven't got a clue and it seems you are just trying to get delivery posties backs up.

[qwerty2]

But you told us that it was coming in "next month"

Think RM decided that it didn't make them enough savings. Unless any proposed changes make enough savings, then nothing will change.

Get rid of half the managers - save millions

[postslippete]

Get rid of half the managers - save millions

I don't have the exact figures, but a quick google search suggests something like 6,000 managers working for RM with salaries ranging from £40k-£55k depending on how senior they are. If we take say an average COMs salary of £45k then:

45,000 x 6,000 = 270 million per annum


The business obviously needs managers but what are they really doing in the office once we have all gone out on our deliveries at 9.30/10am?? What do they do for the next 5-6 hours? From what I've seen, very little. Customer complaints tend to be dealt with in the morning when staff are present. The work plans for the following day don't take all day to produce and if a van needs to be brought in from the garage then posties usually do it. Some of the admin tasks like driving licence checks can now be done by the postie on the PDA. If there is an issue while we are out on delivery i.e. a van breakdown - then we sit and wait for the RAC. Or a dog attack, is usually dealt with the following day.

In all honesty, this is an area where the business could make cutbacks. There is a strong argument that many of them could go part-time but failing this, unless they also go out on deliveries every day (which they are most reluctant to do) then we really don't need as many managers as we do. If this business is struggling like Dave and Martin suggests, then this is an area where the business could quite easily £100 million a year.

[kazardaimenu]

I’m sure they could shave a few thousand managers and make new manager contracts part time to reflect their working hours. Millions saved and more money to spend on the ones who deliver the goods.

[SkiSunday]

Get rid of half the managers - save millions

I don't have the exact figures, but a quick google search suggests something like 6,000 managers working for RM with salaries ranging from £40k-£55k depending on how senior they are. If we take say an average COMs salary of £45k then:

45,000 x 6,000 = 270 million per annum


The business obviously needs managers but what are they really doing in the office once we have all gone out on our deliveries at 9.30/10am?? What do they do for the next 5-6 hours? From what I've seen, very little. Customer complaints tend to be dealt with in the morning when staff are present. The work plans for the following day don't take all day to produce and if a van needs to be brought in from the garage then posties usually do it. Some of the admin tasks like driving licence checks can now be done by the postie on the PDA. If there is an issue while we are out on delivery i.e. a van breakdown - then we sit and wait for the RAC. Or a dog attack, is usually dealt with the following day.

In all honesty, this is an area where the business could make cutbacks. There is a strong argument that many of them could go part-time but failing this, unless they also go out on deliveries every day (which they are most reluctant to do) then we really don't need as many managers as we do. If this business is struggling like Dave and Martin suggests, then this is an area where the business could quite easily £100 million a year.

I agree with every point you've made, the main problem here though is, they are actually represented by a real trade union...

[kazardaimenu]

Hopefully they take them out on strike…

[SkiSunday]

Hopefully they take them out on strike…

I wonder how long Unite would pay their overinflated supervisor wages for? lol
In fact come to think of it, how is the CWU strike fund coffers looking? Because I've never seen a penny whilst picketing for these charlatans over the years...

[ted_e_bear]

Hopefully they take them out on strike…

I'd love it if they carried the threat through, imagine how little difference it would make in the average delivery office as regards the daily operation, perhaps it would expose how insignificant they actually are and how little they contribute

[postslippete]

Hopefully they take them out on strike…

The only reason why a strike was averted in 2022 was because RM offered generous VR terms of up to 2 years salary for those who wanted to leave so that they could cut the number of management roles. Those who remained were guaranteed that they would not face pay cuts and would still be protected.