Vote of no confidence in CWU leadership.

[Tman]

Dunno about banding together, more like tilting at windmills.
Never heard anyone yet discussing Republicanism in it's various forms at our branch meetings.

[BigRon62]

Don't rock the boat.you don't want those poor reps doing a bit of hard work do you.cwu reps and royal mail managers who can tell the difference.

[Seymour Buts]

If they had any ounce of self respect and credibility they should be.

What a truly bizarre correlation.
You might just as well have said union members don't like Mars bars, or have ginger hair.
No connection at all.

Tosh. No gods, No masters. The entire idea of a monarchy should be an utterly perverse idea to any self respecting socialist, Self respecting democrat, free man.

Nobody in the real world actually thinks like this, you realise that? If we had a gate meeting at my DO and you said that, most people would look at you confused.

[Ren Hoëk]

If they had any ounce of self respect and credibility they should be.

What a truly bizarre correlation.
You might just as well have said union members don't like Mars bars, or have ginger hair.
No connection at all.

Tosh. No gods, No masters. The entire idea of a monarchy should be an utterly perverse idea to any self respecting socialist, Self respecting democrat, free man.

Nobody in the real world actually thinks like this, you realise that? If we had a gate meeting at my DO and you said that, most people would look at you confused.

Good portion of our DO cant stand the monarchy. Most people are totally apathetic but I would expect a leader of a trade union to have a pretty staunch stance on the matter.

As for the real world. I live in the real world. As do my friends and family. I know a fair few that do in fact think like this.

[Ren Hoëk]

Dunno about banding together, more like tilting at windmills.
Never heard anyone yet discussing Republicanism in it's various forms at our branch meetings.

and why would we. Up until now its not really been a topic of conversation but now our leader has just been bestowed an honour from them I think perhaps that discussion should be had. The CWU has held a stance on many things outside of its direct remit, why not this.

[Seymour Buts]

If they had any ounce of self respect and credibility they should be.

What a truly bizarre correlation.
You might just as well have said union members don't like Mars bars, or have ginger hair.
No connection at all.

Tosh. No gods, No masters. The entire idea of a monarchy should be an utterly perverse idea to any self respecting socialist, Self respecting democrat, free man.

Nobody in the real world actually thinks like this, you realise that? If we had a gate meeting at my DO and you said that, most people would look at you confused.

Good portion of our DO cant stand the monarchy. Most people are totally apathetic but I would expect a leader of a trade union to have a pretty staunch stance on the matter.

As for the real world. I live in the real world. As do my friends and family. I know a fair few that do in fact think like this.

Why can't they stand the monarchy? I'm indifferent towards it, but the idea that becoming a Republic would make one difference to people given the problems we face is for the birds. It's a glorified tourist attraction.

[Ren Hoëk]

If they had any ounce of self respect and credibility they should be.

What a truly bizarre correlation.
You might just as well have said union members don't like Mars bars, or have ginger hair.
No connection at all.

Tosh. No gods, No masters. The entire idea of a monarchy should be an utterly perverse idea to any self respecting socialist, Self respecting democrat, free man.

Nobody in the real world actually thinks like this, you realise that? If we had a gate meeting at my DO and you said that, most people would look at you confused.

Good portion of our DO cant stand the monarchy. Most people are totally apathetic but I would expect a leader of a trade union to have a pretty staunch stance on the matter.

As for the real world. I live in the real world. As do my friends and family. I know a fair few that do in fact think like this.

Why can't they stand the monarchy? I'm indifferent towards it, but the idea that becoming a Republic would make one difference to people given the problems we face is for the birds. It's a glorified tourist attraction.

Because it flies on the face of our democratic values and the idea that we should live and continue to strive towards a meritocratic society. Its gross.

As for the tourism. It wouldnt change one iota. In fact, we could turf them out of their homes and open it all up to tourism. Huge amounts of art is locked away by them as well. Windsor castle wouldn't disappear. Just ask the french how they are getting on without theirs.

You do you.

[Tman]

="Ren Hoëk" post_id=1131427 time=1750081142 user_id=90609]
As for the tourism. It wouldnt change one iota. In fact, we could turf them out of their homes and open it all up to tourism. Huge amounts of art is locked away by them as well. Windsor castle wouldn't disappear. Just ask the french how they are getting on without theirs.

For the record, I couldn't care less for the monarchy, but I also couldn't care less about these same tired old arguments for becoming a republic.
Judging by the amount of people who queue for hours to see things like the Trooping of the Colour, Changing of the Guard, Kings Birthday, Xmas morning church visit, Remembrance Day, etc etc, the people themselves are indeed the attraction.
You'd have to be naive in the extreme to believe that any of the residences or art work would make it into public ownership were the monarchy to be abolished, or that anyone would pay good money to see run-down empty residences.
If they just wanted to see castles, crowns, coaches with horses, princesses, thrones, flunkeys etc then Walt Disney does it far better, and you get sunshine guaranteed.

[Ren Hoëk]

="Ren Hoëk" post_id=1131427 time=1750081142 user_id=90609]
As for the tourism. It wouldnt change one iota. In fact, we could turf them out of their homes and open it all up to tourism. Huge amounts of art is locked away by them as well. Windsor castle wouldn't disappear. Just ask the french how they are getting on without theirs.

For the record, I couldn't care less for the monarchy, but I also couldn't care less about these same tired old arguments for becoming a republic.
Judging by the amount of people who queue for hours to see things like the Trooping of the Colour, Changing of the Guard, Kings Birthday, Xmas morning church visit, Remembrance Day, etc etc, the people themselves are indeed the attraction.
You'd have to be naive in the extreme to believe that any of the residences or art work would make it into public ownership were the monarchy to be abolished, or that anyone would pay good money to see run-down empty residences.
If they just wanted to see castles, crowns, coaches with horses, princesses, thrones, flunkeys etc then Walt Disney does it far better, and you get sunshine guaranteed.

The same old tired arguments are the same as they were then and as they are now. It hasn’t changed because these cretins still exist.

[Valentina@1]

Can we get back to topic?

[Seymour Buts]

="Ren Hoëk" post_id=1131427 time=1750081142 user_id=90609]
As for the tourism. It wouldnt change one iota. In fact, we could turf them out of their homes and open it all up to tourism. Huge amounts of art is locked away by them as well. Windsor castle wouldn't disappear. Just ask the french how they are getting on without theirs.

For the record, I couldn't care less for the monarchy, but I also couldn't care less about these same tired old arguments for becoming a republic.
Judging by the amount of people who queue for hours to see things like the Trooping of the Colour, Changing of the Guard, Kings Birthday, Xmas morning church visit, Remembrance Day, etc etc, the people themselves are indeed the attraction.
You'd have to be naive in the extreme to believe that any of the residences or art work would make it into public ownership were the monarchy to be abolished, or that anyone would pay good money to see run-down empty residences.
If they just wanted to see castles, crowns, coaches with horses, princesses, thrones, flunkeys etc then Walt Disney does it far better, and you get sunshine guaranteed.

The same old tired arguments are the same as they were then and as they are now. It hasn’t changed because these cretins still exist.

Because the arguments against the monarchy are so weak. Getting rid of them would be deeply divisive, for what gain? And replaced by what? Somebody elected? So yet another politician for everybody to hate.

[richietns]

="Ren Hoëk" post_id=1131427 time=1750081142 user_id=90609]
As for the tourism. It wouldnt change one iota. In fact, we could turf them out of their homes and open it all up to tourism. Huge amounts of art is locked away by them as well. Windsor castle wouldn't disappear. Just ask the french how they are getting on without theirs.

For the record, I couldn't care less for the monarchy, but I also couldn't care less about these same tired old arguments for becoming a republic.
Judging by the amount of people who queue for hours to see things like the Trooping of the Colour, Changing of the Guard, Kings Birthday, Xmas morning church visit, Remembrance Day, etc etc, the people themselves are indeed the attraction.
You'd have to be naive in the extreme to believe that any of the residences or art work would make it into public ownership were the monarchy to be abolished, or that anyone would pay good money to see run-down empty residences.
If they just wanted to see castles, crowns, coaches with horses, princesses, thrones, flunkeys etc then Walt Disney does it far better, and you get sunshine guaranteed.

The same old tired arguments are the same as they were then and as they are now. It hasn’t changed because these cretins still exist.

Because the arguments against the monarchy are so weak. Getting rid of them would be deeply divisive, for what gain? And replaced by what? Somebody elected? So yet another politician for everybody to hate.

Prince Harry didn't get his tax funded bodyguards...thats how ridiculous monarchy nonsense is.

[Ren Hoëk]

="Ren Hoëk" post_id=1131427 time=1750081142 user_id=90609]
As for the tourism. It wouldnt change one iota. In fact, we could turf them out of their homes and open it all up to tourism. Huge amounts of art is locked away by them as well. Windsor castle wouldn't disappear. Just ask the french how they are getting on without theirs.

For the record, I couldn't care less for the monarchy, but I also couldn't care less about these same tired old arguments for becoming a republic.
Judging by the amount of people who queue for hours to see things like the Trooping of the Colour, Changing of the Guard, Kings Birthday, Xmas morning church visit, Remembrance Day, etc etc, the people themselves are indeed the attraction.
You'd have to be naive in the extreme to believe that any of the residences or art work would make it into public ownership were the monarchy to be abolished, or that anyone would pay good money to see run-down empty residences.
If they just wanted to see castles, crowns, coaches with horses, princesses, thrones, flunkeys etc then Walt Disney does it far better, and you get sunshine guaranteed.

The same old tired arguments are the same as they were then and as they are now. It hasn’t changed because these cretins still exist.

Because the arguments against the monarchy are so weak. Getting rid of them would be deeply divisive, for what gain? And replaced by what? Somebody elected? So yet another politician for everybody to hate.

To be replaced by a democratically elected head of state. Just like plenty of other countries do.

If its divisive to get rid. Its divisive to keep.

I also don't think the arguments are weak. To me, the entire concept of monarchy in a modern forward looking nation is perverse. An institution that only belongs in fairy tales.

[Seymour Buts]

="Ren Hoëk" post_id=1131427 time=1750081142 user_id=90609]
As for the tourism. It wouldnt change one iota. In fact, we could turf them out of their homes and open it all up to tourism. Huge amounts of art is locked away by them as well. Windsor castle wouldn't disappear. Just ask the french how they are getting on without theirs.

For the record, I couldn't care less for the monarchy, but I also couldn't care less about these same tired old arguments for becoming a republic.
Judging by the amount of people who queue for hours to see things like the Trooping of the Colour, Changing of the Guard, Kings Birthday, Xmas morning church visit, Remembrance Day, etc etc, the people themselves are indeed the attraction.
You'd have to be naive in the extreme to believe that any of the residences or art work would make it into public ownership were the monarchy to be abolished, or that anyone would pay good money to see run-down empty residences.
If they just wanted to see castles, crowns, coaches with horses, princesses, thrones, flunkeys etc then Walt Disney does it far better, and you get sunshine guaranteed.

The same old tired arguments are the same as they were then and as they are now. It hasn’t changed because these cretins still exist.

Because the arguments against the monarchy are so weak. Getting rid of them would be deeply divisive, for what gain? And replaced by what? Somebody elected? So yet another politician for everybody to hate.

To be replaced by a democratically elected head of state. Just like plenty of other countries do.

If its divisive to get rid. Its divisive to keep.

I also don't think the arguments are weak. To me, the entire concept of monarchy in a modern forward looking nation is perverse. An institution that only belongs in fairy tales.

So, another politician? Put that to a referendum and see how it goes.

[postslippete]

GIVING YOU LONGER on delivery.
Thank you m’lord.
I see where you are coming from.

Exactly what I'm thinking. The 4 pillars agreement in 2018 had a shared commitment between RM and the CWU to work towards a shorter working week, specifically a drive to 35 hours per week to reflect the increased automation/less indoor work and longer delivery spans. We have come a long way since then with the senior management team's priorities shifting towards cost cutting. And increasing workloads and staff shortages have made the idea of reducing hours even more remote.